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Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

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    #842
    vswr
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭vswr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337426#Comment_122337426

    please do tell us how a simple binary question, is not binary



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    #843
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337023#Comment_122337023
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337444#Comment_122337444

    This, I think that the majority of people done it for others, there are some who didn't but for the majority of people, it was for friends, family, the population in general.



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    #844
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337426#Comment_122337426

    You wrote that you were against these vaccines and wouldn't take them - before they were out.

    Which would strongly suggest a personal bias and agenda - against a medical treatment that wasn't released.

    Care to explain the reason and rationale behind that?



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    #845
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338045#Comment_122338045

    Do you believe that vaccine passports were rational?



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    #846
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338308#Comment_122338308

    I've asked you the same equivalent question multiple times now and each time you deflect. I keep simplifying it, but you don't even answer those.

    More than happy to address your questions but you can't expect others to answer when you won't.



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    #847
    ericzeking
    Registered Users Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338045#Comment_122338045

    Equally, was it not the case that the powers that be had decided that the vaccines were the way out of COVID long before they were available or even tested or proven to work/not work? Lockdown until vaccine was order of the day, Michael McGrath said as much on Prime Time in around Oct20….that might bring about some biases too one would imagine?

    And I suppose might have been a red flag for some in respect to whether or not they would take it.

    Like they could have put saline in the vaccines and the governments would have to claim they were effective because that was their only way out and their only way to claim credit for saving us all. eg We had these insane case numbers right before the restrictions were fully lifted, essentially because time was running out to claim credit.

    It's mad how many people still believe the official story, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Lockdowns and Masks stopped Covid until Vaccines saved us all, aha.



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    #848
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338350#Comment_122338350

    The "powers that be", the "official story", tenuous leaps.. a bit early in the day for that stuff.

    The vaccines reduced hospitalizations/deaths from the disease and variants, by up to 80%. Not bad for a mutating disease. A complete no-brainer during a pandemic, which is why most of us are vaccinated.



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    #849
    sligeach
    Registered Users Posts: 17,576 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I've nothing to feel ashamed about. I never got the vaccines. It was completely blown out of all proportion in my opinion. I'm not anti-vaccine, the elderly and the immunocompromised should have taken the vaccine. But for the rest of the population, I don't think it was needed. Especially vaccinating all the kids.

    I got COVID, I wouldn't have known only for I took an antigen test as my sense of smell was reduced and I was a little run down. The symptoms lasted less than a week. I had infinitely worse bouts of flu as a kid. Maybe I had COVID other times and wasn't aware. I was always considerate of others, as I wore a mask everywhere indoors and used the alcohol hand sanitizer.



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    #850
    jsd1004
    Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338350#Comment_122338350

    Lockdown and "hard" was order of the day and Masks and anything that Maybe reduced/covered the face was excellent even your hand and questioning a mask dumped you into the nether world. I dont think anyone questioned whether a hard lockdown would work or not. It obviously would. The isolation tactic to anyone with a morsel of knowledge works. If it works to the greater good that has proven to be debatable. Same with the Vaxxes. They Worked..a bit. Maybe reduced spread. Omnicron did the work. If Delta was flying around the vaccines would have proved their worth but it was gone by the time the vaxxes came out



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    #851
    vswr
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭vswr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341155#Comment_122341155

    "that one lad on boards had some anecdotal evidence that COVID wasn't so bad for some….. all those scientists and doctors must be lying"…

    I was in the UK at the time and they turned an aircraft hanger down the road from us into a temporary morgue as all the normal ones were full….. this was for over 6 months…

    "we'll just ignore that,because I got the sniffles and that was it….no way people were dying from it"



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    #852
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341155#Comment_122341155

    The vaccine in the round wasn't for you specifically but for everyone. By taking it you were more likely to reduce the time you were unwell and also the time in which you were infectious to others. Yes, statistically speaking the chances it would kill you or do serious harm were way less than other groups but a) it certainly was not zero and b) it would have been for the other groups you were getting the vaccine.

    You also seem to not have realised that just because it didn't affect you badly, doesn't mean it wouldn't have. I knew younger and fitter men than me who were at deaths door, and elderly people who barely noticed, it doesn't mean that it was safe for the elderly to get it or that it killed young and fit people in high percentages, and is one of the reasons why anecdotes are dangerous in these scenarios.

    Lastly, I would have been very appreciative of you wearing a mask. Masks were extremely effective at reducing spread. There was some great data out of countries that adopted mask wearing early on, my own workplace had zero forward transmission cases internally and I would put a lot of that down to mask wearing and vigilance.



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    #853
    SpoonyMcSpoon
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341500#Comment_122341500

    Covid did not result in hospitalisations for anyone under 50 except in less than 0.1% of cases per the HSPC data. And this was before the vaccines were rolled out. It shows an ignorance to risk appreciation to equate what can happen to a tiny portion of the very elderly and very vulnerable and make it seem like the other 99% of the population need to batten down the hatches; lockdown, mask up and get jabbed. Somewhere along the way, maybe too many people sitting at home caught up in algorithmic doom loops on their smart phones, people forgot the message and the data which stated that covid is a mild illness for the vast majority of people.



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    #854
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,582 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361557#Comment_122361557

    Bit of a gish gallop of misinformation and half truths.

    Some deception being attempted here:

    Why on the one hand are you talking about under 50s… then about "99% of the population"?

    99% of the population aren't under 50 are they?

    It is an infectious disease. It can spread from the under 50s to the over 50s.

    Before vaccines were rolled out, there were major restrictions in place to keep cases down.
    Given the number of cases, and hundreds of thousands of people in less vulnerable categories, that would translate to hundreds of people needing hospitalisation.

    What were the hospitalisation stats for over 50s?

    What was the age demographic in 2020 with the highest number of entries to ICU for Covid?

    The number of people in cohorts vulnerable to covid is not 1% of the population, unless you only look at those who died, and not those who survived with hospital treatment. And ignore the figures from the US showing the deaths in vulnerable cohorts, showing what happened when hospital treatment was not there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #855
    SpoonyMcSpoon
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361639#Comment_122361639

    99% of the population who got infected were never hospitalised and 99.9% of the under 50s were never hospitalised "with" covid - again, before vaccines. In fact, the flu, with vaccines, has a higher hospitalisation rate than covid without vaccines.

    The issue was not locking down the vulnerable and healthcare staff as the healthcare staff were the biggest spreaders and cause of deaths from covid. Akin to using a steamroller to crack a nut imposing extreme and draconian measures on all of society. This is what happens when you have brainless civil servants trying to run the country.



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    #856
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,582 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361970#Comment_122361970

    That is not the same as saying 99% of the population aren't vulnerable though is it? So that is utterly disingenuous.

    All those numbers translate into significant numbers requiring hospital care.

    And those are the numbers with restrictions, lockdowns and vaccines.

    And nope, that was never the issue, because that was a fantasy. How were all these people and the people they live with to be 'locked down'? How do you lock down healthcare staff that takes public transport to work, and has a kid in school? How do all these people shop or access essential services?
    How many people is that you are locking down, and all for it to be possible because they have to take a bus to get to hospital and get exposed in any way.

    Very easy to rant about "brainless civil servants" when you can just invent a solution in your head that could never work.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #857
    vswr
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭vswr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122361557#Comment_122361557

    I love responses like this:

    "so if you look at the data, when we were in lockdown, it shows there was reduction in transmission rates and deaths, which shows lockdowns didn't work"

    Some of you guys are hilarious.



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    #858
    Dano650
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Dano650


    In the height of covid I had no problem get covid shots but wouldn't take one now



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    #859
    vswr
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭vswr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122362555#Comment_122362555

    I think that seems to be the general median consensus …



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    #860
    CorneliusBrown
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭CorneliusBrown


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341155#Comment_122341155

    indeed, I feel the same although I regrettably got the vaccine. It does give you an insight into mass psychology doesn’t it. I used to think what happened in Germany could never happen again but when you see how easily people are illogically led towards indignation and anger towards minority groups you do wonder.

    The only thing I would say is that I don’t really like when we say that elderly people “should” have gotten the vaccine. It should have been their choice as the vaccine had risks also, particularly for the vulnerable.



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    #861
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,582 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364611#Comment_122364611

    What happened in Germany... you mean the drivel about survival of the fittest and let the vulnerable take their chances. Yeah there was a lot of that disgusting rhetoric being bandied about.

    A mass psychology study of the anti vax movement is warranted alright.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #862
    jsd1004
    Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122364670#Comment_122364670

    That Drivel that Darwin went on about. Your argument may be correct but survival of the fittest is not drivel. It is a cornerstone of evolution.



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    #863
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,582 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122373539#Comment_122373539

    It is drivel when invoked by humans in some quasi eugenics way.

    And Darwin's relationship to it, is more nuanced than that.

    https://www.britannica.com/science/survival-of-the-fittest

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #864
    Soc_Alt
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    no. I don't feel ashamed for the following reason.

    Back in 2022 when I was getting vaccinated I got Covid for the first time.

    My symptoms were mild and would compare it to a dose of hay-fever.

    I currently have another bout of Covid today ( Which they say is milder ) and it feels like I was hit by a bus.



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    #865
    CorneliusBrown
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭CorneliusBrown


    It’s just pot luck. Many who went unvaxxed had extremely mild doses



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    #866
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450043#Comment_122450043

    Indeed. They also died disproportionately.



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    #867
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,582 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450043#Comment_122450043

    Many people without insurance never have to put in a claim.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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