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Cats shot by neighbour

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    all cat owners have the same responsibility of control as dog owners and under no circumstances should pet cats be allowed to roam uncontrolled/without supervision

    Could you provide a link to the Control of Cats Act please?

    I must have missed it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭knobtasticus


    What an incredibly facetious response. You did notice I didn’t use the phrase ‘legal responsibility’ right? But if you want to go down that route - the Animal Health and Welfare Act explicitly states that all owners of protected animals must ensure that their animals do not cause a nuisance and do not cause harm to another animal. Neither of these responsibilities can be upheld if your cat is roaming unsupervised.

    Similarly, the EU Birds and Habitats Directive also makes free roaming of domestic cats forbidden and indeed, the slow enforcement of this directive (despite Ireland being beholden to EU Environmental Law) is a shameful oversight on the part of the Government - and especially the Greens. However, the last time I looked into it, there was some progress and I expect a public info campaign to kick-off sooner rather than later.

    At a fundamental level, no nature- or animal-lover should ever be comfortable with the notion of their cat (or any pet) causing harm to another animal or, being put at risk because of crazies, as described by OP, shooting them off their property.

    Having active responsibility for your pets shouldn’t need enforcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Love the generalisation there, there are over 100k licensed firearm owners in this country and you’d be hard pushed to find one who would intentionally injure any animal in this manner.
    Firearm ownership in this country is a privilege that can be withdrawn very easily.
    Applying for a firearms license entails providing information to An Garda that no other law abiding citizen in any other sport or pastime has to provide and we also have to deal with clueless opinions like yours on a regular basis.
    Can you please explain how you have come to the conclusion that firearm owners are dangerous or they’re cowards? Where are all the stories of legitimate firearms owners in this country harming others?


    To the OP, unfortunately cats are a gray area when it comes to vermin. If they are causing a problem then a landowner may well be within their rights to humanely dispatch them. It’s highly unlikely anyone would use an air rifle to attempt this though.

    Someone using an air rifle in an urban area in this manner is probably not someone who has a licensed firearm although that is speculation.
    Your best way forward is to control your cats and inform Gardai of the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    I think you lost me when you said this "unfortunately cats are a gray area when it comes to vermin" cats are NOT vermin.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    You said - and I quoted your post "all cat owners had the same responsibility of control as dog owners."

    The control of dogs is legislated for under the Control of Dogs Act. There is no equivalent legislation for the control of cats, so no, cat owners do not have the same responsibility of control as dog owners do, and your statement was false.

    Most likely deliberately so, as you came back with "notice I didn't use the phrase legally responsible."

    The rest I really couldn't be bothered wasting time getting into a debate about. Some people just hate cats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Indeed.

    I have a fox that visits my back garden almost every night, in my mid-terrace Dublin suburban home, and I have to wash my car weekly due to bird poop. I've seen squirrels, hedgehogs and rabbits in my garden too, and I'm sure there are other rodents, all of whom will leave presents behind them, but it's only cats that are seen as causing a "nuisance".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,245 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Love the online hard man vigilante vibes here 😂😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    I reckon so.

    Just a pet protector. Not complicated. You must be an urban type...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Yet you’re fine with insulting people you have no clue about anonymously over the internet. I never said I was a hunter, that was an assumption you made among many other assumptions.
    The tone of your posts are a little concerning, vaguely threatening others because you don’t approve of their perfectly legal and acceptable choices.

    Target practice, practice to what end? Practice just for practice sake sounds like you are a little over obsessed with guns whereas anyone I know with firearms views them as a tool to do a job.

    I’m curious whether you hold all people who eat meat in the same regard or is it just the ones who are willing to take responsibility for the whole process of animal selection, slaughter, butcher and cook themselves rather than buy their meat in a nice clean sterilised pack from a shelf in the supermarket?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭jbv


    Can the responsible owners keep their pets inside the house for the night?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    An Rí Rua,

    Please be aware that it's a requirement of this forum that posters are respectful towards one another. If you're disagreeing with others, please do so respectfully.

    Use of expressions like "hunter freaks" is not on, given that you know you're addressing people who hunt, legally.

    Do not reply to this post on thread.

    Thanks,

    DBB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    I used to clear up cat sh1t most days at dinnertime. Was all i could do not to throw up

    A pith people who don't take responsibility for their cats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    So rather than justify your prejudices and preconceptions or counter my points with reasoned arguments you’re resorting to silly faces now that you can no longer insult me.
    That tells me all I need to know.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    An Rí Rua,

    You can stop posting in this thread from hereon in.

    Thanks,

    DBB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Iguarantee


    The Joule is a unit of measurement of energy, not velocity.

    Velocity is a rate of change of position, so it'll always be expressed in terms of distance per unit time e.g. metres per second, miles per hour etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,726 ✭✭✭Feisar


    ThThiS came up previouslyhere I had a cat defecating in my back garden and we had a small toddler at the time. Look up what cat poo can do to kids. A cats right to roam didn't trump my kids safety. Not nice but that's life.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I'm sure it also came up about all the other wildlife that defecates in your back garden too.

    Plenty of feral cats about too, estimated to be around 200k in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭laoismanj


    I am not defending the shooting of your cats in any way shape or form but the thing about it is people get cats and expect them to be everyone elses darling. If i choose to be pet free and play in the garden with my child, there ia no reason that someone elses owned animal should poo on my lawn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    No offence but what do you think birds do and any other wild animal that is able to get into your garden do, I know some people want a perfect world but it is not there.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Not all poop is created equal



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭laoismanj


    Wild birds belong there. Peoples pets dont. Thats the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    Yasus big difference between bird poo and some of the disgusting cat diarrhoea I was cleaning up



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭laoismanj




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    Maybe we should all agree to disagree about the defecation of animals in gardens considering the thread is about someone shooting a cat and not derail the thread.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Deub


    I find your replies on this thread surprising. Because wild animals do it, doesn’t exempt you from your cat’s nuisance.

    I condemn what the neighbour does to the cats but if your cat impacts other people, don’t be surprised some of them are ready to take further actions.

    Why should I pay the price for a decision you took?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    It seems a fair few people here have no issues " to take further actions" on animals which isn't a surprise really.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Deub


    It isn’t surprising but you also have some people that don’t see an issue with their cats going around hunting and digging to leave small “gifts” in other people’s garden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Tell me, can you distinguish a feral cat's poop from a poop done by someone's pet?

    You're making some pretty big assumptions here about my cat being a "nuisance" so I'll share this much. My cats (2) have a large litter box in the house which they both use daily and they are kept indoors at night. They don't spend a lot of time outdoors but they are allowed outside. Both wear brightly coloured collars with identity tags and loud bells and are microchipped to me as the registered owner. All my neighbours know them and know they belong to me, and I haven't had a single complaint about them pooping on anyone's lawn, so make of that what you will.

    But also know that I won't keep them confined against their nature to suit any neighbour who is simply paranoid about cats.

    So I'll leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Deub


    You say:

    Tell me, can you distinguish a feral cat's poop from a poop done by someone's pet?

    Then you say:

    All my neighbours know them and know they belong to me,

    It is not with the poop you identify the cat. It is when you see it doing it.

    I haven't had a single complaint about them pooping on anyone's lawn, so make of that what you will.

    Simple answer:

    • Your cat doesn’t do it (possible but unlikely)
    • Some neigbours don’t see it or don’t mind it
    • Some neighbours are not happy with it but prefer to keep the peace and good relationship with the neighbours.

    But also know that I won't keep them confined against their nature to suit any neighbour who is simply paranoid about cats.

    Your neighbours may not approach you about it because they know that would be your reaction. Your post feels like: I want a cat and let them do what they want so tough luck for the neighbours if the cat inconveniences them.





  • How can he be sure he is addressing ppl who all hunt 'legally', their could be some ppl that dont hunt 'legally'?

    And is hunting / hurting cats legal, which is what the thread is about?

    And if these 'legal' hunters support hunting / hurting cats then they are indeed hunter freaks?





  • What would those differences be?

    Few cats around my estate, tbh never noticed any poo, now bird poo is another matter - everywhere!

    Who do I blame that on?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,726 ✭✭✭Feisar


    That's a bit unfair, they won't be kept in against their nature so tough titty to your neighbours. And if I had an issue with a cat **** in my garden the last thing I'm going to do is contact the neighbour because when the cat disappears guess who suspect nr. one is going to be?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I had an issue in my last house with cats pooping in flower beds/pots etc.

    I didn't mind the cats, neighbour had about 6! But didn't appreciate the poop. I spread this green jelly stuff I got in the hardware shop 'stay off' or something like that. Threw it around the flowers, problem solved.

    Never saw a mouse or rat in all my time there either🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    You've a cat pooping in your garden, but you are not prepared to complain to the owners? Honestly, that sounds like a you problem.

    As I said, I've had no complaints, so will continue on the basis that my pets are not causing my neighbours a problem.

    The thing that annoys me is people like you will complain on a message board (but, it seems, not to the owner), labelling "all" cats as a nuisance, even when it's as likely it's a feral cat pooping in your garden.

    Which is also unfair. But as you said yourself, that's life.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have a neighbour who's house is built on an embankment so overlooks my garden by about 5 meters. I used have a small dog, confined obviously to her own garden but there are lots of feral cats in the area which apparently were using neighbours garden as a toilet.

    For some reason neighbour decided it was my tiny dog (chihuahua) which was climbing a five meter wall to take a dump in her veg patch and decided to confront me about my dog's crap in her garden. I did my best to explain that it didn't belong to my dog but then I started receiving frozen parcels of feces being hurled at my roof. It gives me some small pleasure to think that someone bagged up feral cat poo and placed it in their freezer so they could drop a sh?t bomb on someones house.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As an aside, I rescued a cat or two in my time and there have always been cats in the area, there was a family living in my shed when I moved in here. They keep the rodent population under control and are generally appreciated as resident in the area.

    My own cat is tagged and collared so as not to be a nuisance to wildlife. She does take mice and a the odd rat every now and then but we live on the edge of a large campus so her hunting grounds contain the likes of grey squirrels, which are considered a biological hazard which cause 'significant damage to certain species of tree and pose a serious challenge to the continued existence of the native red squirrel.' (I actually love to see grey squirrels even though they are considered vermin too)

    The campus itself has resident pet cats, they are tagged and collared too. They belong to the students of the school (borders) and roam freely on the estate. It's not an issue for the majority of people who live here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I must say that while I haven't gone "hunting" in a couple of years, I did quite enjoy the peace of roaming the local farmland and taking my shotgun to any pigeons eating the crop the farmer had planted. These would then be thrown into the ditch for fox, or taken home to be consumed. My interaction with nature is to sometimes dispatch the animal and eat it. There's nothing quite like eating something you've killed and prepared yourself.

    As to the content of the OP. It sounds like the neighbour shooting the cats needs to be challenged. Anything gun capable of causing a flesh injury at any distance is going to be a modified BB gun, pellet gun or less likely, an air rifle. All of these require license and such licenses require specific use on the application. I am pretty sure that if there were a license in place, the applicant didn't include the shooting of cats in an urban area.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Deub


    You've a cat pooping in your garden, but you are not prepared to complain to the owners? Honestly, that sounds like a you problem.

    I don’t think it is a you problem. It is just some battles are not worth the fight.
    By curiosity, if one of the neighbours approaches to complain they saw your cat pooping in their flower beds, what would you do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Ask them for proof. As posted earlier, my cats are identifiable.

    Because surely if you see a cat pooping in your garden, you can take a photo or a video of it doing it.

    No proof that shows it's my cat? Then I'm not interested. It could be any cat.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    I think we can all be pretty sure that the people posting in this thread who hunt, are doing so legally. Whether they are or they're not, they're posting in a manner that is in line with the forum rules.

    I think we can all be pretty sure that the poster in question also knows this, and was trying to wind legitimate posters up.

    I'll also remind you, Leslie Spicy Matte, the questioning a mod action on thread is also in contravention of site-wide rules, so if you have any more to say, take it to PM.

    Thanks,

    DBB

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on






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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    If you have an issue with what people have said about legitimate hunting the please come out and say it so that we can address your concerns.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • in your words

    Please be aware that it's a requirement of this forum that posters are respectful towards one another. If you're disagreeing with others, please do so respectfully.”

    I did that… so you cant disagree with a mod?





  • Please read my post again, my objection was about hunting / hurting cats!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Deub




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Leslie Spicy Matte - Dont post in this thread again.

    Youve ignored mod instructions to take your argument to PMs and continually questioned a mods instructions on thread.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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