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Irish Rail hot food

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    they were able to do it previously dispite people paying less to use the services

    You keep saying this, but it isn't true. 20 years ago fares were higher then today, at least compared to online fares. Fares are much more affordable and competitive today.

    20 years ago when we had meal service, trains were silly expensive for that time. I think you have rose tinted glasses about what rail services were like in the past. Even though they had full meals, the quality of the food was pretty much rubbish and not really worth it.

    they aren't going to pay high prices for microwaved crap like they got later on on some routes when the hot food offerings existed.

    That is sort of the problem. If you want a full service like that, then you will need a full kitchen and chef and that will take up lots of space which could be otherwise used for seats and fares and you have to pay for a decent chef etc.

    You'd need to charge as much as a decent restaurant, but how many people want to pay for a proper sit down dinner on a noisy, bumpy train?

    There is a reason why IR stopped this service, because very few people were using it for actual proper meals and it wasn't profitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,320 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the greens just want the road network for those who really have to use it, and they have to get cars out of the cities as they are smogging up the place and holding them back.

    once they do that our cities will be pleasant spaces to live and do everything else, i look forward to the day that the only vehicles i see are busses and trams.

    there is a 10 minute dart service in theory, as in a dart is supposed to come every 10 minutes from i think bray to houth junction.

    unfortunately at the moment there is not enough stock to actually operate it, even with 8 car sets halved to 4 and few 8 car sets running.

    i'm not sure if the original dart sets from the 80s still run as 6 cars and i believe they are having reliability issues now, so that won't help if that is the case.

    new stock is coming so hopefully that will solve those issues, hold firm.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Around 2017-2018 I travelled on the dublin-cork train and had a very presentable and tasty grilled breakfast - including fried egg- and coffee or tea and it was delicious.

    I would definitely order this if it was available on the train again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    I remember as well the server gave me extra bacon with no charge - as they had some left over. Wonderful!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭Tork


    Even if I was hungry enough to want a hot meal on the train, I'd be afraid to leave my seat vacant for too long. Knowing my luck, I'd come back to find someone else in my seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,320 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    online fares are not the only fares and i believe lots still buy tickets at stations which are more expensive then previously so yes some fares are competitively priced but generally they are promotional in lots of cases or you have to be travelling a bit away from when you book.

    thing is the service deteriorated later on in it's life so that would have sent users elsewhere, so the lower or lack of usage will have been partly to a big or small extent down to just wanting to do bare minimum rather then providing a good service which simply lost users and became unprofitable because of reasons.

    also the only thing about irish rail that is or was ever profitable is and was freight, and irish rail do have a history of claiming something is unprofitable when they just don't want to do it, a history that goes back to the CIE days and it is an easy statement for the general public to understand and won't question.

    remember it's only me you and others online who question things about pt and related and it's operators, that is changing but slowly but the general public dont think deeply hence why we have had the pt issues we have had for decades.

    no rose tinted glasses from me but just experience as there was a lot about rail travel then that was also rubbish whether it be the general state of rolling stock and infrequent services ETC.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Journeys are short, it's hardly the trans siberian. None of the icr stock these days has the serving space for preparing hot food.

    A cup of tea, a sandwich and a snack bar will do you. They're not going to bring a full service back for the handful of people nostalgic for a greasy spoon breakfast who might not have travelled by train in decades.

    Fwiw it would be far more pressing on the part of IR to sort out the behaviour of some of the low lifes in order to entice people back into trains. Nearly every week now there's a horror story with arsehole(s) acting out on board, three recent incidents on galway trains if I recall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The 10 ICR premier cars have the ability for certain hot food; but I'd imagine that the Belfast hourly and Cork services will use all those up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,789 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    IE are providing 2 sets for the extra services. That could be 2 PC sets however I would question if the demand is there to fill that level of capacity. Prehaps 1x6 and 1x4. NIR are providing the other.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,320 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the "x will do you" nonsense is the exact contempt that has sent passengers to alternatives to the railway.

    thankfully the days of you and CIE deciding what will do people are over, whether hot food would ever make a comeback or not (and it makes no odds to me either way) isn't relevant to, nor will change that fact thank god.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,688 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    For something that makes "no odds" to you, it rattles you enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    'the greens just want the road network for those who really have to use it, and they have to get cars out of the cities as they are smogging up the place and holding them back.'

    The Road Network is for all vehicles and must be utilized fully to maximum capacity… for all vehicles. WE DO NOT have to get the cars out of cities. It needs to be fully integrated for all vehicles and YES that includes Private cars. Plus there's no smog!! what are u on about???!!!!???

    '.. i look forward to the day that the only vehicles i see are busses and trams.'

    I take it you don't drive and haven't even factored in that we also need large Trucks for goods deliveries so the economy can function.

    Post edited by Corben Dallas on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭trellheim


    IE do not do their own catering, its outsourced and charges fixed costs that dont wash their face NTA should be funding catering but choose not to post covid.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    100% Trains are way cheaper now than 20+ years ago, even excluding inflation, just straight up number to number, my train ticket is cheaper as an adult compared to the student fare I got back then. If you include inflation it is substantially cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,320 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no just having a discussion on a discussion forum.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,320 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the road network is utilised to full capacity, beyond it in fact on the motor way network and in the cities.
    yes, i'm afraid we do have to get private cars out of the cities as they are taking up substantial space and it is beyond unsustainable to cater to them in any way at this stage.
    i do drive but not being able to drive in the city and be held up in traffic is not a big deal, quite frankly it's a **** experience.
    trucks can have set times for deliveries at early morning or late at night.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    I don't drive into the city very often but I never have had any problem with it. There is traffic but sure in that case I am traffic. I aim for the sidestreets near where I want to go in any part of central Dublin, north or south - even Temple Bar and there will be a space free for parallel parking within a 5 min walk more or less no matter what. Never have to make laps looking for a space, or have to deal with cramped, madly expensive multi stories which are basically just tickets to curb your alloys.

    Being able to keep this experience for when it is required while increasing uptake on public transport for people who simply don't need the space of a car in the city is what we need to see happen. If I don't need a car - by myself etc, going straight to an event in Dublin from home, I will plan ahead and use public transport. In some cases, like having to do a days work before going to something, or if there's a multiple people, or bulky items - it just makes much more sense to drive - and when it does and I have to - I would not say the road network is used to full capacity.



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