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Changes in the GAA - super thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,882 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I am filled with hope that Jim Gavin will get rid of that "Advanced Mark" with Jarlath Burns on the football review committee.


    Because back in April 2021 Gavin said of the Advanced Mark:

    "I think that was the wrong step"

    He went further worried that if more Aussie Rule type changes were made Gaelic Football basically would be Aussie Rules in all but name.

    "We’re only one rule away from the game becoming Australian Rules on a rectangular pitch.

    "If we introduce tackling, as in a rugby tackle, what difference is there from Aussie Rules? You can call a mark from a kick-out, call a mark both offensively and defensively once it’s kicked into the scoring zone. You introduce an Aussie rules tackle, what's the difference?"

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Provincial finalists have a weekend off before the All-Ireland series. Should the GAA allow a week off after the National Football League finals?

    Possibly a more straightforward solution is to play the provincial championships over 5 weekends:

    1) Leinster and Ulster Round 1. Connacht and Munster quarter-finals.

    2) Leinster and Ulster quarter-finals.

    3) Connacht and Munster semi-finals.

    4) Leinster and Ulster semi-finals.

    5) All Provincial finals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,882 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Football

    Div 1 league all star team

    Div 2 league all star team

    Div 3 league all star team

    Div 4 league all star team

    ---

    Then all four "teams" play each other in a knock out open draw competition abroad or in Ireland, televise it and jazz it up. I’m Would be a great pre season competition to have in New York or somewhere like that.

    Watching the likes of Sam Mulroy for Louth play superbly (as usual) in a div 2 league game v Kildare annoys me. Knowing full well what a good player he is having seen him basically take on the Dubs on his own. But he will never get within an asses roar of an all star.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,813 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    So the GAA would rather get money from 'Man city vs Man United in the ford cup or some bollocks' in August than go back to having the big championship games in August ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    They also want club players, ie 99%, to be playing more big games in summer so whats wrong with that?

    How would you structure entire year club and county then?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,213 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am not a fan of the advanced mark as it hasn't worked out as planned. There was one completely farcical mark in the Dublin/Tyrone game, where the ball was barely kicked forward but thankfully the Tyrone man missed it. Out of the 5 or 6 marks, there was only one that merited a mark - a long ball into Con and he rose to catch it when seriously challenged. I can see from that what the lawmakers intended, but it isn't what has come out in the vast majority of marks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    There is a reasonable argument for having the provincial championships before the league. If provincial winners only qualified, teams would have a clear picture of the league places that would offer a route to the All-Ireland.

    11 league qualifiers, 4 provincial winners from the spring and 1 Tailteann winner should make up the All-Ireland 16. As an incentive for winning provincial championships and each respective division, the 4 provincial winners and the 4 winners of each division should be rewarded with an extra home game in the group stage of the All-Ireland and/or Tailteann. There can only be two teams per group with an extra home game. For groups with vacant extra home game spots, luck of the draw can be used.

    Both the All-Ireland and Tailteann should be a straightforward matter of seeding teams based on league placing. League after provincial championships and before All-Ireland/Tailteann group stage shouldn't need league finals. If Division 4 counties want access to Croke Park, the conversation should be around establishing a Tier 3 championship. Ideally the Tailteann final and a Tier 3 final would both be curtain raisers to All-Ireland semi-finals. Both running in parallel with the All-Ireland series but with only half the teams each, finishing up at the All-Ireland semi-final stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This is the same GAA that destroyed the once popular Leinster championship. They don't actually know what's best for the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    It would be mental putting 15 div 4 ayers against 15 div 1 players. Better off having each county nominate their best 2 players, then conducting a draft pick with 4 managers to pick 4 different squads. Would be a decent mix of players across all 4 divisions in each teams and should be competitive

    There would be zero appetite or time in the calendar for this though I'd say



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭heftie


    Refs are afraid to have a mind of their own.Ref McAlister had a great gameat the Tipp /Galway camogie last week end ,kept the whistle to a minimum and made for a very enjoyable game

    Get rid of the advantage rule in hurling , bring it back to where it was.Between too much whistling and Messers Fitz, McGrath and Cusack ruining our game we have ended up with a tippy tappy farce akin to soccer .Time to call time on this erosion of hurling values ,hurling is fast becoming the new football and that's not good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Jarlath Burns is suggesting All-Ireland finals could return to September. Basic template would be intercounty from end of March to end of September. Club from October to emd of March. Basically moving the current timeframe to two months later.

    ALTERNATIVE CROSSOVER:

    County leagues are played during intercounty championship. Intercounty leagues could be run during the provincial club championships and All-Ireland club championships in February and March.

    Provincial championships can remain as they are in April and the beginning of May.

    There should be a reasonably spaced All-Ireland championship then from the end of May to September. Any format that suits the majority with promotion and relegation. Basic suggested split is 12:10:10.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,882 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Simple idea -

    A designated ref/umpire each match to watch out for "steps" (both codes) it would stop a lot of the blatant stuff at least.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,364 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Pretty pointless trialing some of these in non competitive games, especially the 2 and 4 point rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Why?

    What competitions should they trial them in then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    They've used College Freshers League previously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Because you cant replicate actual competitive game conditions in these trials. Fine for trying out technical adjustments to rules but what are we going to learn from having 4 points for a goal or 2 points for a long distance point in games like these??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,146 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Buy they should be used as a start and then move onto competitions then. It's a closed trial for a reason so if not these games then what should be used?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    I specifically am just talking about the 4 pt goals and the 2pt long distance kick, what are meaningless games going to show in thsi regard with players playing treating it as a trianing match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Exactly. There has to be SOME competitiveness in trying them out. Hence the use of Freshers League etc. before instead of these stupid thrown together matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Talk of a 3rd tier brought in for football. It should be easy to implement and it's a great idea. It would remove the one big negative with the Tailteann cup. Half the teams (div 4 sides) don't realistically have a chance of making the final.

    I believe the Tailteann cup is 4 groups of 4 where the top 2 go into quarter finals?

    Simultaneously the bottom two should go into quarter finals for the 3rd tier. They can play their final before the other senior semi final which would be a great day for say Leitrim Vs Carlow or whatever the combo.

    The GAA in early stages of this change but I hope it happens. 3 tiers is perfect you'll never need a 4th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    If I was in a position to make changes to the game, I'd adjust the weight (or size) of the ball to make it easier to score from distance - it's easily implemented at all levels (once you spend time designing the new ball correctly) and would force teams to push out thereby creating extra space inside



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    In doing so you would only make it more difficult to score if there is any sort of wind as the ball would be more susceptible to cross-breezes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Dunno how you can say that without knowing what changes would be made to the ball? As I said, it would need to be designed properly - maybe the ball would need to be "bouncier" rather than lighter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,364 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well the championship format is not going to change for 2025 but there is a proposal to be put to Congress in Feb 2025 to change to a knockout championship in 2026 involving the provincial finalists, the highest 7 remaining league teams and the TC winner.

    There is also a proposal to bring provincial finals to replays instead of going to penalties after ET of the first game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I just can’t see the GAA reducing the amount of matches unless it’s a case that they’re actually losing money on some



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