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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2024 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Possibly the best reader of the game of any pundit in hurling. Not hard though when most just spout cliches. Of all the different shows and podcasts himself and Murphy I would say teach me more than anyone as to why a game went the way it did. Only Sheedy is better and Daly, Dowling and Og Cusack are good too when they actually just talk tactics and shut up about the other stuff.

    Davy done a great job kicking Waterford up the hole and making them contenders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Skehill is marmite. I dont think he's a good pundit and when he 'reveals' a tactic it's usually so obvious as to not be a surprise or a revelation. He's usually well behind the best pundits or thinkers. He's got that bogman head and accent that it's hard to take him seriously. It's an awful podcast . Murphy is another mammy's boy that you could safely drop into a women's hostel in Argentina and be certain he would go straight to bed and zip up his sleeping bag tight. Probably the worst podcast out there.

    All Skehill said about Davy is of course true. Iv no problem with that

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Haha I like Paul Murphy. Fairly level headed about his reviews of matches/performances. Obviously not much charisma comes out of him but that's ok.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well if what they say doesn't suit Peggy then they are probably saying the right thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    I really like skehill and Murphy..I understand what you say about Paul lacking charisma but if you have seen any of the live shows he is a good story teller

    I think they are both very knowledgeable and fair in their assessment of games

    I would agree with everything skehill said about Davy fitz



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  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭jeff bingham


    I think Paul Murphy is an excellent reader of the game. I think his problem lies in that he seems terrified to say anything controversial



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's kinda why the podcast is successful. It's the Lethal Weapon/Beverley Hills Cop dynamic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Montys return


    They didn't lose a single match in Leinster that year...has anyone else done that since in either province with a round robin?

    They should have beaten Kilkenny in 2021 in Leinster, few key moments turned against them in normal time. And had they won that, they'd have had Dublin and Cork in there way to an All Ireland final. What might have been!

    The best job Fitzgerald did was the one at Wexford. The Clare one probably the one that deserves most scrutiny. But when all is said and done, they did win an All Ireland and there first league in 50 years.

    My point originally was he's the man that everyone loves to hate, and while I'm sure he deserves plenty of criticism there are many who would absolutely refuse to give him any credit at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭kksaints




  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Montys return




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Because of the shock nature of the Carlow result it felt like a loss for us and a win for Carlow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 King Power Fox


    For neutrals out there who is under more pressure this Sunday. Cork to back up earlier performance against Limerick or Limerick to get one step closer to anotherAll Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    I’m yet to speak to somebody in Cork that genuinely expects us to win. It’ll be a great occasion and I give us a minimal chance, but maybe that’s not a bad place to be. I just can’t see us beating them twice in a year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The pressure is definitely with the favourites. Only exception will be the few older Cork players who might not get another chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,869 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    All the pressure is on limerick, they're favorites and they're chasing history. Cork can go out and hurl.

    But limerick have repeatedly shown that they handle pressure fantastically, and I see no reason for them not to win. They've been smoothly going up through the gears since the defeat to Cork. They are missing a few key players but i just think they have the advantage everywhere. As they used to say about kk back in the day, these lads don't do romance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Galway in 2022 or 2023 didn't lose in the round robin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    I think there is pressure on Limerick to win the match (because they are favourites, reigning AI champions, going for 5 in-a-row etc.), but there is pressure on Cork to put in a good performance. If Cork are poor tomorrow, then the question will be asked if are they actually making progress, and if the win against Limerick earlier in the championship was down to Limerick not being too bothered. A good performance, albeit with a narrow loss, then it can be viewed that Cork are building for next year, they can be the ones to topple Limerick in 2025 etc. That's my take on it anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    think the good performance from cork would have to be matched with a pretty poor performance from limerick. cant see anything but a limerick 5 in-a-row. The gap to the rest is still massive



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  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭mistermiyagi


    Clare by 2, after a ding dong battle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,305 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    thinking the same, 3rd time lucky but had that feelings about Clare going into the Munster final this year

    Rather a Clare win over Kilkenny than a Cork win over Limerick. Corks smugness would be next level



  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭letsseehere14


    Glad Davy is gone. Everywhere he goes becomes a circus and the county itself and county boards coffers suffer most.

    Also I don't know if it's just a Wexford thing but there is a slight level of delusion about their standing from their fans imo.

    Under Davy Wexford were atrocious in 2020 and 2021. Playing 2 top oppositions each championship each year, and losing them all. Losses of 13 points, 7 points, 8 points and 3 points.

    And yet a poster above has basically talked them into the All Ireland final that year!!

    In 2019 they won 2 out of their 6 games, losing to 14 men in the semi final and it's as if their name was on the cup only for a bit of bad luck.

    There's a collective feeling in Wexford that they're a better side than Dublin. Yet recent history shows they're not.

    It's always coulds, shoulds and ifs with Wexford.

    Davy got the Davy bump with them. Big name manager, got them fit early and they tried to run teams into the ground. It eventually won them a Leinster, fair play, but just like Davy, it's that 1 win that keeps him afloat for another year before the wheels eventually come off. And that's all 2019 was really. 1 win of note.

    This year the same. Caught Cork, fair play. But it was at home to 14, and for a while 13 Cork men. Out played by Tipp in my view. Suspect goals at important times kept them in it but the dam eventually burst. Clare threatened to pull away but let them back into it and they still lost. To a correctly called 65 and its as if they were robbed! And Limerick eventually showed what Waterford really had. Yet its looked upon as a successful year by some because of "how close" they came to advancing.

    He's a spoofer who's been around long enough to get lucky the odd year in 4 that keeps him afloat until his next lucky break.

    Waterford have regressed under him, much worse than Cahills few years, we're long past Cahills last 2 games in 2022 now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Montys return


    Firstly, I'm from Waterford. Secondly, point was about fine margins and that Davy did a decent job at Wexford despite attempts by other posters to do a hatchet job.

    They lost after extra time to Kilkenny in 2021, and there was a few moments like Chin hitting the post from the 21 and Walter Walsh scoring in the same move during normal time that I felt went against them. They would have beaten Dublin in the final had they progressed, mightn't have beaten Cork.

    And if they are not better than Dublin, then surely winning a Leinster in a period where a better or equal Dublin team did not would suggest a fine managerial performance?

    Davys second tenure at Waterford was definitely a failure, but expectations were pretty low when he came in.

    Its more than a bit ironic however to call me out for talking up Wexford in 2021, and then say something like "Clare threatened to pull away", when they won by a point with the last puck of the game.

    And while being close was never a measure of success, let's not pretend either that Waterford were not close to progressing. A puck of a ball in anyone of 3 games would have put us through. Very disingenuous to state otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Montys return


    I'm not a fan of Davy Fitzgerald generally, but the above post by Letsseehere is a classic example of how people refuse to give him any credit because they just don't like him.

    Literally a hole picked in any performance or victory of recent times, it's just bizzare.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    Since 2010 (i think 14 years is a decent timeframe) Dublin and Wexford have played 8 times i make it in Leinster championship. Dublin have won 5, Wexford 1 with two draws. Dublin have Wexfords number in that time. The year Wexford won Leinster they did not beat Dublin either. It was a draw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭Montys return


    Fair point, YDD.

    Anyway, on today's game I feel like Kilkenny look in better shape than the last two years when I didn't fancy them...so today will probably be the day they lose!!

    Think Clare have tired in a lot of games this year, maybe something Lohan hasn't really adapted to in game. But I also think that the assessment of the performance against Limerick has been harsh. Kilkenny might suffer for not having a competitive game since the Wexford game, but showed their quality with a full team available in the Leinster Final.

    Adam Hogan on Eoin Cody and Butler on Kelly the match ups to watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Sneaky feeling for clare today.

    Very hard to beat a team in three consecutive semi finals.

    Kilkenny looking to make their 5th final since their last win in 2015.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭threeball


    Terrible crowd but 3pm on a Saturday is no time for an AISF.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭YabaDabaDooley


    For those that dont like listening to Marty Morrissey the game is on BBC 2 with Jamesie O Connor on co comm and Austin Gleeson, Neil McManus and Paul Murphy in studio.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭luckyboy


    I’d say the atmosphere would be so much better if this game were on in Thurles/Limerick (not forgetting Cork, but PuC in Cork has arguably too big a capacity and would be similar to Croke Park). These important games are spoiled by being “lost” in a venue that simply too big for them …



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