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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Yeah got that one wrong but I think he's been mostly on the ball today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Love that for EVDM. He's done lots of nuts and bolts work today without getting much ball in space and then he does that. Have to be delighted for him.

    EDIT: And MOTM now!



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭fitz


    And again. He'd be very good value for a yellow card for it, tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭gneel


    The definition of "attempt to catch" is very generous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Wales stuck to South Africa admirably, but simply lack the players to really trouble them for 80 minutes. They also looked very poor with ball in hand.

    South Africa were ok. Very ill disciplined and looked clunky when trying to play through the backs. But it's a new system and they weren't full strength. They'll get better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    If South Africa can get some more accuracy with their new attacking systems, they could be a terrifying side to face. They caused a lot of trouble today for Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Wales were brave, but I'll disciplined and clueless in possession. Dyer looking mystified at his YC my favourite moment. Dewi Lake led well.

    SA managed to get minutes into a Stormer-free mixed squad. Edwill was simply outstanding.

    Difficult outing for all the officials & thought (the Mbonambi flying headbutt aside) they did well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The ABs have gone with a collar on their jersey



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,004 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Will Jordan looks like an alter boy



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’m normally a fan of a collar on a jersey. But that’s awful..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Love the retro look, very NZ.

    (Have always loved their national basketball team's nickname 'The Tall Blacks')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Wru in financial mess to tune of 35m over next few years. Seems they got some sums badly wrong.



  • Posts: 0 Roy Enough Twit


    They've had multiple cuts to the regions in recent years (they're down to £4.5m for 24/25) and based on this analysis they think they need to slash another £2m per region per year further.

    It seems very tough to imagine all of their regions surviving.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    35 million? Bloody Eck that's some hole, you'd truly worry for Welsh rugby ... along with all the other things to worry over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Premiership side Leicester Tigers have appointed former Leinster, Argentina and Australia boss Michael Cheika as their new head coach ahead of the 2024-25 season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭phog


    They needed to do something, they're going in the wrong direction on the table, a few years ago (under Bothwick) they were top, this year they ended in 8th spot



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    SRU announce 10.6 million £ loss for the season.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Club level Pro-rugby in the UK simply isn't profitable.

    For whatever reason they just can't seem to find the right model to support the game.

    Wales are wildly in debt , the English Club game is propped up exclusively by a handful of sugar-daddies and now Scotland are showing losses too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    So sky sports have all the rugby over the summer....

    What presenters/pundits are they using these days?

    I cant find any mention of it...

    Long Gone are the days where they really pumped up Rugby Union....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I don’t think they’ve announced their on air line up. They’ve no regular rugby union team because they’ve no regular rugby other than Sanzaar and for that they take the Sky NZ, Stan, or Supersport coverage (or in Argentina, ESPN’s pictures with the commentary of the visiting team).

    Edit they had games in June/July 2022 that they had studio coverage for, a bit of digging tells me the studio crew for NZ v Ireland was Alex Payne, ROG, and Sean Fitzpatrick with Conor McNamara, Alan Quinlan, and Isa Nacewa on the call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    How are they so in debt? Presume they get roughly the same amount of 6Ns money that the irfu do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think its more accurate to say the he refuses to get help for himself, some serious mental problems going on there most likely



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    New Zealand team named for England match. Perofeta at 15 the only major surprise :

    1. Ethan de Groot (22)
    2. Codie Taylor (85)
    3. Tyrel Lomax (32)
    4. Scott Barrett (69) (Captain)
    5. Patrick Tuipulotu (43)
    6. Samipeni Finau (1)
    7. Dalton Papali’i (32)
    8. Ardie Savea (81) (Vice Captain)
    9. TJ Perenara (80)
    10. Damian McKenzie (47)
    11. Mark Tele’a (9)
    12. Jordie Barrett (57) (Vice Captain)
    13. Rieko Ioane (67)
    14. Sevu Reece (23)
    15. Stephen Perofeta (3)
     
    16. Asafo Aumua (6)
    17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi (57)
    18. Fletcher Newell (13)
    19. Tupou Vaa’i (25)
    20. Luke Jacobson (18)
    21. Finlay Christie (21)
    22. Anton Lienert-Brown (70)
    23. Beauden Barrett (123)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    This summer series has the potential to be an absolute cracker and the most intriguing for years. Whilst I'd say the odds are all in favour of the home teams, there are a rake of sub plots throughout with new coaching teams, multiple player departures etc. making for an interesting few weeks.

    NZ vs England is probably the pick of the ties for me, to be honest. NZ in complete transition. No Mo'unga, Cane, Whitelock, Retallick, Jordan, Smith, Frizzell or Laulala from their RWC final 23. And Beauden Barrett spent the year in Japan so is only back to join the bench.

    They've a bit of a headache at halfback currently. Rumours from NZ that Scott Robertson has been in touch with Richie Mo'unga and they're desperately trying to get him out of his Japanese deal to return to NZ as he's their best outhalf by a distance. McKenzie has not been trusted by NZ much in the past despite being around the team for years now. Similarly, Aaron Smith was head and shoulders their best 9. Perenara would probably start for most nations but behind him (and McKenzie) there's a gulf in experience and proven test quality. Beauden Barrett is likely to find himself back in the 10 jersey for NZ at some point this summer, I'd imagine. But he's 33 and not the player he once was, particularly at outhalf where he hasn't played for NZ since 2022.

    On the flip side, we have England who have had a similar level of turnover but had the 6N to bed guys in and played a game against Japan already where they went full strength essentially. Henry Slade was interviewed on the BBC podcast this week and said they arrived in Japan 10 days before their game. They were completely over their jet lag by match day. Auckland is a few hours further ahead but shouldn't make much of a difference to them so they'll be fully adapted to local time by their first or second day and been able to train fully.

    To my mind, England are the coming team in the world right now. Hard to know if their ceiling is much higher than top 3 or 4 but they're dangerous and, mostly due to those retirements and injuries, now have a backline that is a genuine threat which is behind a pack that is filled with raw talent like George Martin, Ben Earl and CCS. I'd imagine Borthwick would have loved if Lawes stayed on given he's probably still the best blindside in the UK and Ireland but, that aside, I don't see who else would potentially get into this pack that has retired.

    Borthwick is dull but he's shrewd and knows how to get his teams organised and difficult to break down. With Smith and Mitchell at halfback, they've genuine game breakers who can create something within that fairly disciplined/well drilled approach. I reckon NZ to scrape it but England to give a very decent account of themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Whoever is watching Sky tmw, you might let us know their presenters and pundits, commentators etc.....

    I have no idea who they are using and have a feeling they will go bare minimum....

    Sky used to pride themselves on their Rugby coverage....now its the shìt on their shoe...which makes me wonder why they bother with it at all....

    Theyll go all out for a Lions tour then....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    This morning their pundits are Kyle Sinckler, Nick Evan's and Will Greenwood. Don't know the host, Hannah. Haven't seen her before.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Anna Woolhouse. No I don’t know why Miles Harrison keeps calling her Hannah either, I haven’t seen her before but she is apparently a Sky regular. Not sure why no Alex Payne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    They do but don't near make enough income from other areas like irfu do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Miles Harrison cannot pronounce a suite of names so it's no surprise. Routinely inexplicably renamed Nemani Nadolo's surname to "Nandolo".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    McKenzie got out of jail there with that brainfart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    New Zealand were full of mistakes. The only tactic they seemed to have was kick it deep and try turn England around. A one point win isn't a great result.

    I suppose it's good for Robertson, I can only imagine what pressure he'd be under if he started with a loss.

    You can't trust McKenzie at out-half on the international stage. I love watching him because you get electrifying plays but you get mistakes that'll cost your team too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Smith left a lot of points out there. They were very lucky.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The panel has been swapped to Sam Warburton, Dan Biggar and Jamie Roberts at 10:30am.

    Post edited by icdg on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭einn32


    This ABs team are there for the taking. They just don't have the personnel in some positions.

    I'm interested to see what way Australia go under Joe Schmidt. Oz union needs a lifeline.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He's right, that's how Nadolo is pronounced. Like the N sound in Tuilagi, it's a feature of Polynesian phonology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Well thank you, every day is an education. I take it back so.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,004 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    These are two dog **** teams



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm not a real fan of these summer internationals. I watched the New Zealand game this morning because i had nothing to do.

    I'm not watching this game and I'm not sure I'll watch the Ireland game.

    I don't think it's right. These guys need time off, it takes about four weeks to recover from a season, you should be off on your holidays then.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They get time off, the offseason is about to start.

    Every single SH rugby union would fold without them, so it's a non-negotiable anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Agreed that the games have value and a need but it must be rough on players like Tadgh Beirne who's pretty much played 12 months straight. They should be given some rest.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,771 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Pretty sure if you asked him he'd much rather be in South Africa than chilling at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,203 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You don't really know that and I don't either. He's obligated to play because of his contract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Thank you, who is on commentary?

    Can you do the same for the Ireland game please?

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    The same could be said about the AIs. Super Rugby starts in Feb so pre-season starts in December the NZ and Aussie players have to come over here in November when really they should be on holiday. They need a rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Wrong thread.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Rupert Cox and Sam Warburton. Yes Sky aren’t even hiding that the commentary is being done off tube from Iselworth, by using the same co-commentator that they’ve just had doing the studio segment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,715 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Is that really relevant?

    We've a big enough player pool that the games can be played and those who have played significant minutes can be rested and recover.



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