Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

One senior Hamas government employee told the BBC that the Hamas attacks were “a crazy, uncalculated leap”.

He asked that we concealed his identity.

“I know from my work with the Hamas government that it prepared well for the attack militarily, but it neglected the home front,” he said.

“They did not build any safe shelters for people, they did not reserve enough food, fuel and medical supplies. If my family and I survive this war, I will leave Gaza, the first chance I get.”

Netanyahu was right.

There can never be peace or a ceasefire with Hamas if they are willing to treat their own people this badly.

Hamas are a barbaric organisation with little regard for the suffering of their own people, no doubt about it.

Lets be honest though, Israel don't really care about Hamas. In fact, this whole mantra of completely defeating Hamas is very convenient for Israel, because they know Hamas will always exist in some shape or form in Palestine. This means they can continue to obliterate every square inch of palestinian territory under the guise of rooting out Hamas. The real goal for Israel is to use this momentum to indirectly and sometimes directly target, murder and persecute palestinians in the hope that they will leave their homes for good and then Israel can permanently occupy their land. The amount of land grabbing happening right now is frightening.

The longer this war goes on, the better it is for the Israeli hard right ultras. Palestine will eventually, whether in our life times or not, be nothing but a memory.

Netanyahu and his crowd can do whatever they want at this stage, and they know it.

Of course what you wont acknowledge is that Bibi was perfectly content to shore up Hamas until it backfired on him. Bibi clearly doesn't want peace either. What unites Bibi and Hamas is their shared goal of survival at all costs regardless of what of the cost is to others. As an apologist for Israel, you will ignore there is a pair of them in it. In the same way you will be receptive to condemning Hamas for using human shields, but not a word from you when the IDF is caught doing it.

All irrelevant.

Hamas are acknowledged by all as the head of state of Gaza. They are the ones who launched their war of aggression against Israel. To this very moment they remain totally defiant.

This war could end tomorrow if Hamas wanted it to. The ball is in their court.

It's very relevant, you dismiss it as irrelevant as you want to avoid criticising Nethanyu and Israel. If you were capable of being even handed you would acknowledge Nethanyu had stated many times the war will continue beyond any ceasefire. He knows when the war ends he is likely out on ear. It suits him perfectly fine to try to achieve a goal he probably knows is unattainable. He does not want peace and a moderate goverment in Gaza. He is on record as saying as much and his actions prior to October 7th make that clear.

Loads of footage coming out of Gaza this morning.

Including one of a babies head recovered from rubble and put into a bag and a girl who's had her jaw blown off.

But Hamas I suppose….

Bibi is obviously just playing games and has no intention to seek peace. He proposes things that he knows Hamas won't and probably can't agree to and that then gives him carte blanch to continue his attacks on the innocent Palestinians. Bibi doesn't want peace because he known that when the war ends so does his tenure as PM and then his past will catch up with him as the court cases begin.

This thread is practically dead at this stage. Palestine/Israel just isn't hot enough anymore. Some of the focus has returned to Ukraine but a lot of it has gone on to UK, French and US elections it seems.

Indeed and as usual it was followed by the excuse ' there were armed Hamas ' there. It is just wanton murder all along and the IDF are probably worse than Hamas at this stage.

They are a cowardly army the IDF.

Putin now targeting Children's hospitals in Ukraine. He and Netanyahu are so similar. Suffer the little children.

Sheer evil. There's no other word for this sort of thing

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Don't give the credit to Haaretz for this one. This was found to be the case over 3 months ago by Al Jazeera. But because they are Qatari funded they'd probably be regarded as unreliable.

All of this was known however as soon as Israel announced their list of the dead.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/

No 40 beheaded babies, no babies found in ovens. Even though this was parroted by Biden, Blinken, Murray and a whole host of Knesset members who apparently saw videos detailing as such. Yet not a solitary one have come out and redacted their statements. It's not like the US would make up false information regarding atrocities committed against kids to gain public support for an unjustifiable war.

Ahem… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Ironically a lot of the atrocities that were pinned on Hamas as having happened, and which have subsequently been proven to be false have now been committed by Israel and yet there is zero mainstream condemnation of it. Russia bombs a hospital in Ukraine and Starmer, Trudeau etc are on Twitter immediately condemning it. A school filled with kids in Gaza is bombed the same day and there's **** crickets. They are either racist, bought or both. Easy to condemn something when your "morals" align with your interests.

This is going to shake Israeli society massively that its being reported internally. They can't and won't defeat Hamas. They haven't a hope of defeating Hezbollah. And their own security forces can not only not protect them, but are actually willing to kill them rather than see them taken hostage.

Oh and cause it hasn't been posted here yet. The Lancet estimates the death toll in Gaza could be as high as 186,000 people due to the sum total of the effects cause by Israel's genocide.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Democracies tend to cause some of the worst war crimes.

Israel have always been evil, democracy doesn't change that .