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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Augme


    I said the biggest issue people have with our changing culture is the fact that it's becoming less white. You the asked what is the problem with that wanting Ireland to remain a white culture.

    A "keep ireland white" is exactly what the KKK wanted. They KKK didn't like the idea of people of different cultures mixing, they wanted segregation and they didn't feel black people were American.

    I never claimed deporting people is the same as lynching people. I said there are people out there who would prefer to lynch them. That's a fact. We've already had one person murdered this year for being foreign.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,098 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    An easy claim to throw out, but one not backed by life experience I venture. Would you care to show us just how most Irish people think some other way? Without resorting to anecdote, I have given a typical situation as to how our culture is being diluted. So I believe if you want to counter this, show us otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Why shouldn't you be treated the same as everyone else, because you're in a minority view doesn't give carte blanche to say what the **** you want



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Maryanne 841


    if they’re working, surely they no longer get social welfare?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    They still get their 38euro a week . I kid you not.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This is Ireland, we have Irish culture, culture that has evolved over centuries and passed down through generations. It has nothing to do with skin colour. Need to stop this nonsense of being made to feel guilty or apologise for the colour of our skin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54,210 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I see it's official, the Rwanda deal is dead. Hopefully Tent City Whatsapp groups spread the word quickly…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    Over 100 people from migrant backgrounds were elected in the locals elections. That compares to how many anti-immigration candidates again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    OK if immigration is your big issue then I'd vote independent Ireland. They are clearly against refugees etc. They are not lunatics and sound sensible enough. But they could be accused of jumping on the bandwagon. Their origins are in the roaring ind brigades who now loosely call themselves a party

    But if I'm voting for social change. To have a realistic go at reforming the health service id vote SDP.

    It's hard to figure out who to believe on housing. A lot of left leaning people are delusional if they think local authorities have the capability to build enough houses.

    We need them to acquire that capacity but they will need time. Thus presenting developers and landlords as close to a dark force is nuts and a great argument against giving the common man a vote.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    We will always need migrants. A lot of people are coming in to fill posts we can't fill here. Highly skilled. Plus they normally arrive with housing sorted or renting.

    Refugees won't be going near a housing list for years and years. Many refugees haven't left direct provision because they can't get housing even after being made legal.

    I'm anti refugee.

    But it's nuts to say blocking all immigrants will solve housing.

    We are part of the EU so any EU citizen can move here.

    The only group you might be able to block is refugees and that's a big If.

    But you are nuts if you think immigration is at the core of our housing crisis.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think you are being unfair to Mayo people and their level of English.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,098 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What's this got to do with the discussion re impacts on Irish culture and ways of life??

    If anything, it proves the point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    No it doesn't. you are trying to claim your very extreme views are widespread. They're not, because if they were the latest election results would reflect this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    You having difficulty talking to people isn't really a sign that our culture being diluted.

    Im shocked that you didn't have an actual example



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @Augme threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    It is true 100 migrants were elected in the last locals. That was postive

    Because a lot migrants have made a hugely positive contribution. They have integrated.

    But I think it would be foolish to say the right wing wave is over in terms of immigration. I still see Ind Ireland gaining seats next time out. Perhaps others

    I'm not against a break through because I hate refugee bullshit. I'm talking seeing a party like ind Ireland getting 10 seats.

    But a lot of people want nothing to do with out and out racism that is displayed by some parties. It's not racist to simply not believe that skipping 20 nations and claiming to be running for your life as bullshit.

    I said it a million times though voting for a party on immigration policies won't fix the housing or health system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, lot's of people on here have problems with genuine immigrants. You just need to read the thread. "Dilution of our culture." "Colonisation". It's all there and not just from new accounts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    What % of people eligible actually go out and vote you think? I'd say it's probably quite a low figure or certainly not in a majority ……many get on with their lives and what will be will be, then you have hardliners like the very vocal minority you get on here and across social media always busy always talking and most certainly always out voting



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The over whelming majority of immigrants we currently have in this country are working. Go to a hospital. Go to the shops. Work for a financial company. You'll find you're working with a lot of immigrants.

    It's very hard to see it as "colonisation" or "dilution of our culture."

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike at


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But we also need unskilled workers - hospitality workers, cleaners, kitchen staff, agriculture, refuse collection, labourers, factory operatives, nursing home assistants and so on. We shouldn't necessarily get too hung on whether migrants are skilled or unskilled, just as long as they are fit and healthy and employable.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike at


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭prunudo


    but they should still be coming via the proper channels. If the government encourage people to come here and they fraudulently claim asylum just to avoid the work visa system but then reward them with work anyway. You may as well just rip up the work visa system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The vast majority of them are coming here via the proper methods. And they're working, and paying taxes. You probably encounter them every day as you go about your business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54,210 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Every country needs unskilled workers to help an economy grow as by in large Irish workers wont pick fruit or hotel cleaners etc however you cannot just open the borders like what this government is doing but rather we should have a scheme in place that looks at the different areas in our economy and see what area's are we missing unskilled workers for seasonal or short term work and the employer would have to justify why they need these workers etc

    I would also add that any migrant that comes here illegally should not be allowed in this scheme what so ever



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I agree that we do need migrants. I disagree that they are diluting / colonising our country. Unlike some posters on here. Just pushing back on that part of the debate on here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭briangriffin


    The far left beleive none of our culture is being diluted, the ethnic irish people and their culture are irrelevant, national identity doesn't matter, sovereignty doesn't matter, borders don't matter, individual national culture (music, sports, religion, family values peoples attitudes to women,children, and each other how they treat each other none of that matters) traditions dont matter, shared history doesnt matter, historical societal values they don't matter. Judeao christian values dont matter. All humans are equal all religions and none are equal all societal values are equal all nations are equal all people are equal, tribalism doesn't exist we should accept people from any country in the world because that is the virtuous thing to do. Crime statistics from other countries are irrelevant, social unrest is irrelevant. All people will come here with virtuous goodwill and will be grateful for our generosity so much so that they will adapt to our culture they will speak our language within a year, know our history play our sports, sing our songs, adopt our values and integrate fully, they will become more irish than the Irish themselves. The best way to achieve this would be mass immigration to change the demographic from 3% foreign born to 22% foreign born within 25 years. 3% to 22% is not dilution its enrichment and all enrichment is good do not question it do not concern yourself with it, our politicians have it all under control, to question the merits and problems of any immigration policy is "far right,racist, and xenophobic".

    Take the 2021 white paper on ending direct provision for international protection it assumed 3500 applicants for asylum annually at a capitol cost of building 6 centres holding 330 each of up to 741 million with an estimated annual cost of processing and welfare of 175 million.

    That has since changed the new normal according to roderic was going to be 15,000 applicants this was in december 2023 https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/roderic-ogorman-says-15000-asylum-seekers-per-year-will-be-new-normal-1569905.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9COur%20department%2C%20for%20a%20year,is%20now%20between%2013%2C000%2D15%2C000

    Now the new normal going forward appears to be 30,000 applicants according to the latest figures this year.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/around-30000-asylum-seekers-may-come-into-the-state-this-year-fianna-fail-parliamentary-party-meeting-hears/a1631074328.html

    There will be homeless ghettos all over this country by the end of the year ifour politicians don't get a handle on this.

    Our tourism sector will be decimated by years end all over this country.

    It's not the fault of anyone coming here it's solely the fault of our politicians who have encouraged and enabled this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 Repro212


    Feel free to pushback but the reality is that Irish culture is being diluted. Referring to immigrants working in hospitals, retail or the financial sector is a red herring. Those people are integrating and contributing to our society.

    They may be the majority of migrants right now but with the floodgates well and truly open, they will soon be overtaken by the thousands who are destroying passports and rocking up under false pretences, expecting housing and other handouts. That starting point is hardly a sign of respect for the host country or it's culture.

    The longer this free for all continues, the more we'll start to see areas of the country becoming less and less Irish as more and more enclaves are established. Some people might see that as something to celebrate. For others it's all very unsettling.

    Being on the outer edge of Europe, we had a chance to look at and learn from countries that experienced high levels of immigration earlier in their history and avoid making the same mistakes. As I said above though, it's just been and continues to be, a free for all, with no thought to the long term consequences.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Are they fit and healthy?


    Since many are coming from third world countries where diseases are rife with no vaccines etc how do we know their health status?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,098 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Probably a small point but a good few of those unskilled jobs go to Irish youngsters trying to get on the job ladder..."

    This is an important point and one that tends to be ignored by those who will defend immigration policy regardless of impacts.

    Everyone is different and like other countries we have a blend of young people with various skills and aptitudes. Some get good quality degrees and masters and get a foothold into a range of skilled work. Others are just unsuited to this, they will live productive and useful lives if given a fair chance and a good start. Retail, childcare, labouring etc etc. But these are all the sort of jobs that the 'pro immigration' lobby see as needing to be filled. So there's now competition for these between Irish school leavers trying to get a start and those who are here as refugees and asylum seekers as well as those brought in on permits.

    This aspect is why I'm constantly puzzled by the attitudes of the Labour Party, Social Democrats and PBP etc - you'd think they'd be standing up for Irish workers at the lower ends of the food chain. But no, they seem happy to have them as collateral damage so they can appear virtuous.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭Ozvaldo


    The party's mentioned above are largely irrelevant to the Irish public along with Sinn Fein who will soon just disappear with their sitting on the fence politics and no answers to this issue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭prunudo


    But we're still expecting close on 30k this year and the language being used by senior ministers including the Taoiseach, is that we need these people here to work. The government are essentially saying, you can bypass the work visa system and come here, even fraudulently, and sure we'll look after you and give you work anyway. Its a dangerous policy and everything about this immigration mess sets a dangerous precedent, where the government just bypass the rules of the land which normal law abiding citizens must adhere too.



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