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Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Since Trump's conduct is so bad, why circle jerk each other with nonstop lies about what he has done.

    This, like the constant refusal to acknowledge Biden's weaknesses, and attack people for bringing them up, just serves to help your enemy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "Cirlce jerk"?

    Come back to us when you can phrase that in a coherent manner.

    There's no nonstop lies. People have been rightly flagging this sort of conduct from Trump, his inflammatory language, his dog whistling.

    Do you accept this is a racist statement, and it marks out Trump as a racist or deliberately appealing to a racist audience? This is just the culmination of the language he had been using in the past. He didn't just have a road to Damascus conversion to this sort of offensive drivel. He was dog whistling all along as loudly as he think he could get away with.

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Yeah, it's pretty racist. Though it's quite specific that he hates illegal migrants and doesn't specify a race.

    Expecting people to view Trump negatively for saying this about illegal immigration, while even Europe is swinging far right because of it, is a non-starter. In fact, by bringing this to the attention of people, you're probably going to increase the number of votes he gets.

    You seem to think there is some value in proving "Trump is a racist", as if it's some big gotcha and justice and God will prevail or something because he hates illegal immigration.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    On the face of it it's a nationalistic statement, not a racist one. To take it otherwise is absent both the possibilities of Caucasian illegal immigration and legal non-caucasian immigration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nationalist, as in national socialist? Or national racists?

    It is racist. They are poisoning our blood implies their blood is inferior. This is clearly racist.

    He wasn't ranting about illegal Caucasian immigration and you know it, don't pretend otherwise.

    Trump has a pattern of Nazi echoes.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-hitler-poison-blood-history-f8c3ff512edd120252596a4743324352

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    @odyssey06 Out of interest, do you want more, the same, or fewer illegal migrants coming to Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's a world of difference between expressing concern about immigration, and using inflammatory racist language like 'poisoning our blood'.

    And in Ireland, expressing such concerns about immigration in such racist 'blood' language is a red flag to picking up any sort of real votes.

    No big gotcha, just calling out the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of those trying to defend Trump's racism.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Illegal immigration is America's number one concern. We've seen what happens when Democrat cities actually get a taste of what southern states have been dealing with, like what happened in New York.

    I really think you don't have a solid grasp of politics if you think Trump's statement is some big problem for him. Look at this poll. Even a huge portion of Democrats support deportations of illegal migrants. That doesn't make them racist.

    It would be a lot more interesting to talk about how that sentiment is going to translate when it comes time to vote. Will those in the middle vote for Biden "because Trump is a racist" or will they hold their nose and vote for Trump because they think illegal immigration is a massive problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    They spread misinformation because they think it is acceptable and they never call each other out. All it does is dilute their points and make me think they are probably lying as usual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where does my post state that? It doesn't. You are arguing past the point.

    How about you argue with the posters saying Trump wasn't being racist and then we can move on? Why are you only challenging the posters calling out Trump? Very strange.

    I don't think you have a solid grasp of what's going on at all. It is a pattern of excusing Trump's behaviour, either denying it or downplaying it.

    There's a world of difference between trying to deal responsibly with illegal immigration and inflammatory racist language about 'poisoning our blood'. Biden's administration has been deporting illegal immigrants. You are presenting a false dichotomy here, on the one side as if Biden is doing nothing and the racists ranting about "poisoning our blood" are needed to do so.

    Let's not forget Biden brought a bill forward, a bill with measures Republicans had previously called for, which had backing of unions dealing with the border… and Trump ordered his stooges to oppose it. Positive proof the Republicans are just using it as a political football and to whip up their base with racist dog whistling.

    How about demonstrating this so-called "solid grasp of politics" in your posts therefore with Trump's "big problems" as you see them?

    Or do you really want him to win the election?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Had he been able to pick a VP on merit

    Harris was, and is highly qualified and experienced.

    What merit had Mike Pence, Paul Ryan or Sarah Palin (three most recent GOP VP candidates) above her?

    She hasn't stepped up as she could/should have while in the role, but this narrative that she was some sort of a DEI pick alone is BS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    No, I don't want him to win the election. He'd actually possibly be terrible for me because of where I live. That's why I am glad the world is waking up to Biden so that someone else might come in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Yep, it must be so difficult to see all these narratives built up over time all come crumbling down so fast now. Some big ones to fall yet i think.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a typical Trump dog whistle so people can hear what they want to hear. Say something vague that gets out there… in follow-up questions if pressed he'll walk it back.

    Same with the 'Proud Boys' comment to 'stand by'.

    Dog whistling to Neo Nazis and racists.

    Now, it is not even a dog whistle, it is right out there with racist comments echoing the Nazis about 'poisoning our blood'.

    This is the language of Neo Nazis and white supremacists, and Trump invokes it.

    Says it all.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You probably believe he didn't know who Nick Fuentes was either when he hosted him at Mar-A-Lago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Trump may be a racist, com artists and whatever else. That does not change the reality that he's likely to be the next president unless Biden steps aside. No matter how much you scream about Trump and pretend Biden is ok will change that reality. The Democrats must act now or they will lose in November.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,569 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    the world is waking up to Biden

    What do you mean by this? The only negative impact that Biden has on events outside the US (and its a big one) is his support of Israel, but I don't for a second think the outcome there would have been any different if Trump was in office.

    In terms of Biden being possibly bad for you because of where you live? I presume this is a comment in relation to immgiration? If so, what did you make of Republicans acting at Trumps behest to block a bill that included extensive border measures that even the National Border Agents Association gave the thumbs up to?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,720 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Regarding the Proud Boys quote, it's difficult to think Trump was giving it that kind of thought because it was a response to Chris Wallace asking him if he'd disavow extremist groups who seem to support him and MAGA. The 'poisoning the blood of our country' bit was said at a speech, though, and I could well believe that was something Trump was running up the flagpole in order to see the kind of response it got.

    I don't think Trump care if things he says get a large negative response because they may get a larger positive response from the kind of people he's trying to appeal to. If the negative response outweighs the positive one, he'll just dismiss what he said as riffing and/or taken out of context by the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A tweet dump from "End wokeness"? It's not misinformation, it's fact.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Look at the video and listen to what the guy said. If you only read headlines you will never get the full context and find out what you were led to believe is fictional.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,578 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. You don't get to spend years dismissing everything you dislike as "MSM" and then tell me to watch a video from some random X account.

    We know why those people were in Charlotteville and why one of them killed Heather Heyer.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,451 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,451 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    terrible for you because of where you live?


    where?


    Russia?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Spookily accurate.



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