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Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    just casual observer, i presume Trump now very likely to be elected in November with set of Biden the last few weeks?



  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Good to see Godwin's second law being corroborated though



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It is a pretty poor choice in the sense that if you're choosing Biden, it's probably more because of how scared you are of Trump than how excited you are for Biden.

    That doesn't mean, however, that Biden isn't much preferable, if that must be the choice. Trump has no regard for democracy where and when it doesn't favour him, which is why he refused to say he would accept a losing result in 2016, which is why he didn't accept a losing result in 2020 and why he is refusing to say if he'll accept a losing result in 2024. We know full well what he would do if he were to lose the upcoming election. How do we know? January 6, 2021 When he sat in a small room next to the Oval Office and only releasing a statement condemning the violence when it became clear the insurrection would not succeed. When he called upon Mike Pence not to sign off on a democratic election, on no basis. That's bad enough. If you go into testimony about Trump's conduct on the day, it gets worse with Trump allegedly saying that Pence deserved hanging.

    Anybody who can favour Trump after all that, or thinks it'll all be normal if he gets back in is either an idiot, or is disingenuous and wants to see Trump be a quasi dictatorial strongman who punishes his political enemies just for being so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,449 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "My worry isn't that Biden won't be there to end his term in 2028, my concern is that Trump won't end his term in 2028."



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    thats the facts, Charottsville was a hoax, but its funny watching it, the Dems have a lot to process now lol what with being lied to about Biden for the last couple of years and all

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    If its a fact then it should be very easy to provide evidence.

    The video provided does not state what you said.

    Obviously their must be another video so please provide the video you are talking about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    He won’t because it doesn’t exist. He knows this too, but feels obliged to say it as it’s a common calling card of his “side”



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The poster goes around every thread hounding people for proof of claims they make and throws out accusations of lies and misinformation.

    I would be very surprised if the poster can't provide proof.

    If not how can anyone actually take the poster serious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Can you clarify by what you mean by "hoax". A woman getting murdered by a Nazi, a load of white supremacist showing up with tiki torches and being incredibly racist. Trump saying in his speech that there were fine people on both sides, in this case he was more downplaying the fact one group was made up entirely of Nazis on white supremacists. All of this happened. So what didn't happen Silver?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The hoax was that Biden ran on the hoax that Trump was supporting white supremacists, even Dem sources have debunked the claim. Its just funny watching on

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Question,what do you think "poisoning blood" means? Is there a non racist interpretation? In relation to Charlottesville, he implied that there were decent people on the right at that rally. Given the fact that the march was a build up of mainly white supremacists and Nazis, I'm inclined to say claiming there's any decent people on the right at such a rally. A decent person doesn't march in a group that's built up entirely of those people. So there was never very fine people at that march and he was praising scum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you are just repeating the hoax just going with the line that they were a unified group, its a funny example of "two movies one screen"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,475 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He gave cover to the white supremacists and neo nazis there with his dog whistling about 'fine people'.

    We saw the same dog whistling with the 'Proud Boys' stand by comment.

    Clearly, the false claims of 'hoax' has been de-hoaxed comprehensively at this stage.

    Also, you were asked a straight question about Trump using neo nazi and white supremacist language… And you have no answer to it, just like you did yesterday - because you have no credible response, other than admitting it is Trump being racist.

    Question, what do you think "poisoning blood" means?

    No hoax here, just posters trying to find desperate excuses to defend a racist \ racist dog whistler, he was racist dog whistler then, and now he is more brazen about it.

    Here's the post yesterday, where you didn't answer the same entirely relevant question.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    "fine people" meant that you could be in favour of keeping statues without being a white supremacist, its just that they like twisting things over there and people still fall for it because it fits their bias. If people cant agree the old hoaxes there is no point creating a laundry list of new ones

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,475 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And at the third time of asking, you are unable to offer any real reply to the relevant question, just an utterly desperate deflection of "no point creating a laundry list of new ones":

    Question, what do you think "poisoning blood" means?

    Hold on a second: what is the hoax here? There is no twisting of anything.

    This is a direct quote from Trump, invoking the language of racists, the language of white supremacists and neo nazis, the language of those 'fine people':

    Completely discrediting of your entire attempts to defend Trump of not using racist language & racist dog whistling to racists.

    Why are you going to bat defending a racist using language like:

    "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION"

    Where is the hoax?

    The only bias is in those who try to excuse the above as not being racist.

    He was dog whistling then to racists, just as he was with the Proud Boys, and now it is full blown racist language to appeal to racists with drivel about poisoning the blood of our nation.

    Why are you defending that?

    You're doing a very good job of making it appear that you agree with Trump that illegal immigration is "poisoning the blood". So if you don't, now would be a good time to clarify that or we can draw our conclusions about what that says about the agenda behind your defence of such racist language.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Trump's chances are quite high at the moment, considering his weaknesses. There is considerable amount of time to go.

    Complicating factors are whether the Democrats change their ticket. Also Trump has yet to announce his Vice president pick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,880 ✭✭✭✭Discodog




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,475 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Exactly, there's a thousand different ways you can word a speech railing about illegal immigration without ever using inflammatory drivel like "poisoning the blood".

    When you use it like that, it is for reasons of racism.

    When you use the language of neo nazis and white supremacists, that is who you are appealing to, and you know it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,475 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The defences of Trump getting more ridiculous now. Ignoring blatantly racist comments from Trump in 2023 in favour of something the Democrats did in the 19th century. And that the Democrats in recent memory had an African-American president… But sure, let's skip over post war US history and recent politics and keep voting along Civil War lines.

    Desperate desperate stuff.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭ronjo


    History is of course very important but to use something from over 100 years ago to whatabout something 1 year ago seems pretty weird.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,475 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Pretty desperate attempt to "memory hole" everything the Democrats have done since in terms of civil rights, the New Deal, the Civil Rights Act, the election of Obama… meanwhile we have the Republican candidate Trump ranting about illegal immigrants poisoning the blood of the nation. But sure, to decide how to vote, let's dig out a history book on the Civil War and Reconstruction from the bookshelves.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    no, not playing laundry list, "fine people" needs to be agreed upon first and did Biden run on this hoax in 2020, its obvious to people outside the Dem bubble that it was a hoax, so do you believe that hoax still that Trump called white supremacists fine people?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,449 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So private citizen Joe Biden ran this hoax in 2017, when Trump made those remarks and everyone understood exactly what he said to be giving cover to his white supremacist, Neo Nazi right?

    You are really down a rabbit hole there.



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