The decline of FG?

are you actually serious! its clearly obvious why ffg have formed this pact between them, again, it maintains their position of power, of governance, its clearly obvious…..

opposition numbers simply dont stack up, the potential of a sf alternative just isnt truly possible under such conditions, sf would need to have very strong numbers, a majority, or near majority, in order to destabilise this ffg pact, and thats just not gonna happen anytime soon, if ever….

…again, voters only play a part in forming governments under pr-stv, i.e. its not entirely up to voters what governments are formed….

…this means its very likely we re actually stuck with ffg lead governments, and possible indefinitely…..

…they simply will not allow alternatives to be formed…

I think history will show that FF opting to coalesce with FG when they did and for the reasons they did led to their ultimate decline tbh.
One of FG or FF faces decline if this coalition arrangement continues. Even though both are momentarily polling ok.

To be replaced by who?

I really think you’re missing the point here. FF and FG have ‘teamed up’ because they are more aligned politically than they are to SF - it’s not some ploy to spite SF for the sake of it.

As the transfers show, the majority of FF voters have FG as their second choice and vice versa. It would be extremely unwise for either party to ignore their own largely central positions AND the wishes of their voters to join up with a relatively extreme party like SF (I hesitate to call SF left wing as I don’t believe any legitimately left wing party can universally oppose property taxes).

SF are being ‘locked out’ of government for no reason other than their policies not aligning closely enough to work with anyone else and not having nearly enough support to make it alone.

Ireland voter preference is very broadly as c.50% status quo. 25% anti establishment/i want my roads fixed, 25% assortment of ‘free gaffs’, anti immigration, united ireland etc.

For any of the government parties to team up with the one of the very fragmented groups that the vast majority of people despise would be suicidal.

Looking at the poll numbers, it doesnt look like its going to be SF.

Mindful of your predilection to ignore the polls you don't like and your championing of the ones you get over excited about, I would remind you of the caveat that polls are like interest rates and they can go up and down. FG, your own party were once at 35% during the term of this very government.

Oh, but it's the elections, he says. Sinn Fein got 11% in the local elections.

Oh, but it's the change from elections, he says. Sinn Fein are down from 24% in the general elections to 11% in the local elections

Oh, but it's the change from local elections to local elections, he says. Sinn Fein are down from 15% to 11% since the local elections in 2014.

Oh, but it's the polls he says, the ones I think are relevant. Surprised he isn't spinning this poll as SF up 7% since the locals!!!

Everyone else gives up. Flip-flopping is a nice way of putting it.

Interesting, before you spent the time telling everyone how great the polls are

For once back something up.
Where did I say 'how great the polls are'?

is that they are different elections

There isn't a political analyst or commentator I know of who doesn't see them as 3 separate elections with different concerns voted on and hence differing outcomes.

Lads are just on an over excited poll-roll here.

The run-around for excuses to explain Sinn Fein's current abysmal performance in both polls and elections continues. However, as that is off-topic, I'll say no more.

What he means is that Dublin City Council under the leadership of Sinn Fein and the left from 2014 to 2019 sold off more social housing than it built, despite leaving huge funds provided by government sitting in the bank. We had councillors objecting to their own projects!!

Who is making excuses here blanch?
Seems to me the people making stuff up are yourself and Clo

DCC look after social housing, yes DCC ended up with less units available in 2019 than SF led DCC started in 2014

So when you ask why SF had a poor local election, you can see with results like that they would never hold a strong position to get reelected. The announcement on SF website saying how great it was they got voted in, control of DCC, and would build units was one of many embarrassing links deleted by SF. 300m in 2015 was a lot of money.

Also in terms of rental they managed to get the rent arrears to over 40m with one person evicted during the period

IMO this was clearly the start of SF strategy to making housing a huge issue in Ireland, this happened during population growth in Dublin and the repercussions then moved out of the city as people struggled to get housing. As we can see today SF still block every housing project in Ireland, even if they don't stop it they delay for years and drive up the price of units. So this plan is 10 years or so of SF blocking housing. Some people have copped onto this now.

Violet Anne is just one who pops up because of a number of issues, she was also dumped afterwards by SF. But she and others got voted in and people then left to clean up the mess. It was well reported at the time, it had nothing to do with Leaders debates, people just didn't wanted to piss of FF/FG, the likes of Labour etc had dirty bibs after previous partnerships so SF was last one on the list. Hardly a glowing recommendation for voting for them again.

Again this was a question you asked, I answered. It has been discussed numerous times on other threads.

Ok so as I am not familiar with Dublin I had to google this… The bit of the story I was missing was that SF lost control of Dublin City Council in 2019 to (what I can only assume looking at the numbers) to be a coalition of FFG and a few indies?

They are back to being the 3rd largest party now behind FG and SD so obviously the people have somewhat forgiven them

It was started because someone started a thread with the exact same name only SF in title.