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Should we stop reading the news

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    My basic point is most of this "news" is not news. It's sensationalist. Murders and rapes. Celebrity news.

    News is something you should know as it will impact on your life.

    We have to have open justice and rape trials are important. Obviously. But we all knows these terrible things happen. Reading your 100th rape trial story won't change a thing.

    The news presents Ireland as a totally terrible place and it's not. Science is badly reported.

    Anyway I could go on and on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I used to get most of my news from Twitter but I deleted it 3 weeks or so ago and I am really happy I did.

    Got overloaded with info there the majority of which was completely false or irrelevant to my life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Redacted Circular


    Yes absolutely. Too much news is toxic and makes people miserable and combative. Look at Boards, people fighting the same battles, day in day out, accomplishing absolutely nothing.

    As the zoomers would say, we all need to touch grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The legendary Bill Hicks pondered this phenomenon some decades ago

    You know my problem? I watch too much news. I don’t know if you ever, ever, ever sat and watched CNN longer than, say… …20 hours in one day. I’ve got to cut that out. If you ever watch CNN headline news for any length of time it’s the most depressing effing thing you will ever do; “War, famine, death, AIDS, homeless, recession, depression, war, famine death, AIDS…” Then you look out your window it’s just: [imitates the sound of crickets chirping] Where is all this stuff happening man? Ted Turner is making this stuff up! Jane Fonda won’t sleep with him, he runs to a typewriter: “By 1992 we will all die of AIDS – Read that on the air. I don’t get laid, nobody gets laid”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Probably would be perfectly content reading a Sunday newspaper in terms of staying informed.

    Daily heavy consumption is probably not the best.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I disagree.

    I think we all need to be aware (to an extent) of what is going on, even if not all of it directly impacts us. Not every rape, murder or assault trial is the same.

    For example, the recent reporting on the horrific physical assault on a victim that resulted in a fully suspended sentence for the perpetrator, which was a complete injustice.

    If it went unreported, "because assaults happen all the time" the situation would never change. If this case had gone unreported, the public outcry which followed wouldn't have happened. And maybe that outcry was not responsible for the DPP deciding to appeal the sentence, but it may have had a part to play in it.

    Of course, everyone should only consume media to the extent that they can personally tolerate. It is possible to curate your own intake of all media, and sources.

    That doesn't mean something should not be reported on because there have been similar cases in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,828 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Ignore the fake news mainstream media. I get all my news from loons on Facebook and twitter and boards.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The comments section on news articles can sometimes act an enjoyable chaser of brevity or wanton insanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I only buy papers at the weekend now as I still like to wade through articles and features over a cuppa - i guess if you’re online regularly throughout the day, you’re probably checking media sites from time to time just to see if there’s any big news story breaking or looking at your feeds if you have them -and then of course you might get sidetracked by an article or two that gets your attention.

    I’d agree heavy consumption not the best - good advice but probably need to consciously put the media device down or just switch it off every so often



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,729 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Of course the news is mostly about horrible things. People need to be informed about what is happening in their country. Does it mean that's all that's happening in the country? Of course not, but these things have an effect socially and nationally. Nobody should be sitting glued to the news for so long, and particularly in America where the "news" is more opinion pieces and entertainment designed to keep viewers watching and nodding along, but yes the news should report on what's happening even if it's horrible.

    Otherwise our news reports may as well just be Anchorman



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    “Now to take my own advice and throw away that book on why China is a threat to democracy.”

    Unfortunately, as adults we cannot live in ignorance. China would love that. Sticking our heads in the sand will not serve our children’s futures. Unless they can speak Mandarin 😒



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Depends :

    A small item on the RTE news and in the papers two weeks ago about the Luas: the Luas is 20 years in operation. The person being interviewed said economists, journalists, and similar had predicted that the Luas would be an economic failure it would never get the passengers predicted, and so on.

    I am sure the cost and construction generated acres of media comments and print media columnists giving out about the Luas project, yet it was a roaring success.

    If you are a journalist commentator or economist be careful nailing your colors to the mast and the main point is the news is often completely wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Avatar in the Post


    The news is often wrong? Economists or whoever the media turn to for opinions isn’t news, it’s opinions. The media will lay out a platform for different opinions about referendum etc. again, not news. I would expect what news outlets such as in Ireland publish as actual reported news has a high degree of accuracy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Feel like a schoolteacher who's not being paid to read an essay on the summer break.(I'm not)

    There is a part of us that feels we need to hear bad news. Two reasons for this are given

    It's important to know what we are facing as we leave home each day

    We feel better about ourselves for living in a safe country or avoiding a terrible fate. There but for the grace of God..

    ok. so no. You used Rwanda as your example of a news source which depressed you. Rawanda is a very depressing story overall. Why did you read the book?

    I read a book about Rwanda too many years ago. In this version of events, the story focused on the religious phenomena which occurred simultaneously, as apparations of Our Lady and Jesus himself were reported. The book was written from a perspective of the faith of one of the survivors who, believes they were saved as a result of divine intervention. Our Lady of Kibeho is a thing now. The reason why I read it wasn't because I wasnted to be depressed but because I like autobiographies. I like when people have an interesting story to tell. (Our Lady of Kibeho~Immaculee Ilibagiza)

    The Irish writers center has lots of writing courses available throughout the year which you might find interesting . (I didn't read all the way to the end yet, I need some coffee)

    As an aside, it didn't do anything for my faith on the contrary, it left me feeling like thier God was a bit of an a hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    My take is there in insufficient balance between good and bad news.

    You can find minute by minute updates to every rape and murder, but radio silence about good news events.

    The ironman on youghal was a good example of this. Near zero coverage beforehand of what is an incredibly important event, but two tragedies brought in every reporter in the country and it was front page news for a fortnight.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. People should try and stay informed.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,230 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    If news is mentioned on social media, read the news and don't read any of the comments, because no matter how miserable the news is, the comments will increase the misery at least a hundred times, mainly due to the army of whingers and lunatics having their say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    The solution to consuming media which makes one miserable, isn’t to consume no media, but rather broaden their horizons beyond the media they consume. There’s as much news which gives people enjoyment as there is news which makes people miserable, and then there’s the people who make the news because they read something which made them miserable and inspired them to do something about it, resulting in an outcome which makes them feel better having taken on a challenge and achieving a positive outcome.

    Much as I enjoy the idea of ‘ignorance is bliss’, it’s an idea which lends itself to navel gazing 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭denismc


    Jerry Seinfeld had a great quote about the news,

    "It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper"

    Before the Internet we got our news on newspapers and news bulletins on tv and radio, all the world's news was distilled into a few pages by editors and we went about our lives ignorant of much of what went on in the world.

    Now we get all the world's bad news all the time 24/7 and it's creating unprecedented levels of anxiety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭BnB


    The absolute f**kwittery you read on comments sections of the likes of the Journal, twitter, boards and social media in general shows to me that it is a long long time since people in Ireland have been so ill-informed of the country we live in and the world around them.

    I think everyone should read or hear at least the balanced headlines of Irish and world news delivered by a reputable news organisation every day. In fact, I know it's not realistic, but I genuinely believe that in order to have a vote you should be able to prove some kind of level of knowledge of the world around you and what you are voting for. Take for example the fact that Derek Blighe got over 25k first preference votes in the European election. Did 25k people actually decide, yes, I actually agree with the raving loon conspiracy theorist or were they just badly informed morons who bought into the anti-FF, FG & SF the-country-is-f**ked BS being spouted on social media and tick a box beside a name who wasn't mainstream without knowing remotely what he stood for. Obviously I don't know the answer to that but I believe it's the latter.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why read them then? Genuine question.

    Like, I never get why people think they're clever by promoting social media hacks who are unaccountable for what they say but dismiss the, admittedly deeply flawed, but accountable print and television/radio media.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    In general, yes.

    I used to commute a lot for work - still do a bit of driving but nowhere near as much.

    I was constantly listening to news radio. It occurred to me after a bit that the vast majority of 'news' was designed to cultivate clicks/texts or generally increase anxiety. I realized that my stress levels were being affected and I took the decision to stop.

    I switched to podcasts instead - listening to subjects that actually interest me such as history, sport, music and movies.

    I stopped watching any news programs or reading daily papers - I buy one Sunday paper a week and that does me perfectly.

    The media's primary goal is not to inform you - it's to keep you tuned in and consuming their product. Having you in a constant state of anxiety is advantageous to them.

    I'm definitely happier since I stopped consuming so much news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    One of the reasons that Hitler was able to kill 6 million Jews is because good people did nothing, ignorance is dangerous. Its very important that all serious crime gets reported and its important to know about some of the horrible things that human beings have done in the past. Yes it's depressing and no worries if some people decide to avoid depressing stories/news, that's fine but if everyone were to avoid bad news is would do more damage than good as more people would be ignorant about important things. Yes most people will do nothing about the bad news but it can cause people who have some power to do something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,374 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Even before the now widespread distribution of "news" by social media a friend of mine had given up on many mainsteam media journalists, saying for him news was being given the facts upon which he was quite capable of making up his own mind rather than reading the often biased opinion of someone else.

    He, God rest him is long gone now, but for me it`s a wisdom that just gets stronger with each passing day.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I never said rape cases should not be reported. They should as part of an open justice system but they don't all need to be read. What's the argument for reading most rape cases? Ain't going to stop it. That's naive

    I do think cases where sentencing is a joke need to be read. That's fair



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    A balance needs to be struck You obviously need the media to report scandals etc but it does not require you to wade into pages and pages of the stuff.

    A lot of the nazi crimes were well known but a lot of countries still refused to take in Jews. Britain and Ireland included.

    So internationally not sure of the value of reading about various international trajedies.

    I deal with this in the article.

    The world knew about Rwanda and did nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭BnB


    RE why read them…… I could try give you a "clever" answer and say it's important to try and understand the f**kwittery that's out there influencing peoples opinions…….. but I have to be honest and admit, the real reason I read/watch them is more of a car crash type fascination.

    They were astounding in the run up to and aftermath of the recent local elections. Twits on Tiktok in particular who were going on about the revolution that was going to happen for weeks barely skipped a beat once it turned out they only got 100 odd votes. They generally went quite for the day or two of the counts to lick their wounds but were back on the train very soon claiming how they represent the people of Eire and how the election was rigged because the voting booth in their local center was picked up by a Garda with yellow socks instead of blue etc etc hence making the whole election invalid and how court cases are on the way etc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    News is bad news and I think people are depressed because of it. There is an oversaturation.

    20, 30 years ago news were still bad but in comparison they were mostly local news. Today it comes at us from all corners of the world and it's a permanent barrage of it. New deadly virus from permafrost in Siberia. Jungle hacked down in Papua-New-Guinea 300 more species extinct since last week. Another covid strain. Another river dead in India people pissin black. Gulf stream breaking down next week for sure. Civil war with atrocities in Kenia. Bomb in Gaza. Stray missile in the Ukraine. 13 year old rapes and kills 8 year old in Canada. 50 young students killed by militia gangsters in Mexico. And so on and so on. Never stops only becomes more and worse.

    I mean how does anyone deal with that? I dont think human minds are designed for it. No wonder the young people are checking out or else have any number of disorders or both. I mean they dont even know of a time before all that, its all they know they grew up in that. Its mental.

    Me personally I read my daily paper or two so I dont miss World War 3 and I know who's in government and thats mostly it. I have a small number of subjects I follow 'cos they're close to my heart but I have no twitter, insta, news websites, any of that sh1te. I never watch news channels, ever. I mooch around on boards a little, visit reddit but not current affairs and what I mostly engage with is sports. One needs to find a balance or else deep down you just want to top yourself every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The news is a bit like cod liver oil.

    You might find it hard to take but you know it's good for you.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Headlines only for me just to know what is happening then I turn the news off.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I lost my sense of fascination some time ago. Like, I just found out that my brother-in-law believes in chemtrails. I knew he was an anti-vaxxer so I can hardly be too surprised.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I suppose that POV makes sense if one is involved in maintaining the status quo and is generally supportive of whatever the government of the day is doing. In this situation, the public needed to be informed but let's not have them thinking too much about policies and events. It's a balance for such people - Paddy likes to know but don't encourage Paddy to learn too much.. would that be how you might see it?

    It is of course why the excessive spread of social media commentary on matters in the news is frowned upon by the powers that be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,432 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    this was spoken about to some degree at this year dalkey book festival, we all know print media has been in serious trouble for a long time, but at least there are many journalists out there doing their utmost to research and write to the best of their ability, so, no, we shouldn't stop reading the news, but it can be very difficult to get access to relatively unbiased news……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    Yes, modern media is 99% sensationalism, and getting some sense of mental fulfillment or entertainment out of reading about crime, rape, murder and all other sorts of misery doesn't make you a bad person, but it doesn't make you a good person either.

    I prefer business papers like the economist to keep an eye on world events, might skim most of it but at least when they cover politics or war it's mostly from the perspective of the money and power struggles involved so you understand why things happen. I'd love to have a more professional Irish newspaper but I don't think one exists. A lot of Irish times or Independent is filled by opinion pieces, easy grabs for junior writers and sensational content ripped straight off social media. Those "news" pieces that just throw in screenshots of 10 tweets , do they think this is content? That this rubbish can be monetized? Do they think we're that stupid? It's insulting. I'll cheer to see those outlets go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,432 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …at least we havent gone into the gutter with our main media sources, times journalism is actually generally very good….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    That's not a modern development. William Hearst coined the term "If it bleeds, it leads" back at the end of the 19th century - basically meaning that anything involving violence, tragedy, death etc. would go front and centre in his papers as that's what piques public interest. Prurience isn't a new phenomenon; to a large degree it's probably part of human nature, because it allows us to reaffirm our own (absolutely illogical) sense of immunity to such things ever happening to us. It's just more noticeable now as the news cycle is 24/7, global and surrounding us on various devices.

    Up until very recently it was quite literally part of my job to read the news daily and be completely up to date on current affairs. It can absolutely get a bit overwhelming and depressing. It'll probably take me a while to wean myself off the habit, but I do plan to try and consume less news media now that I no longer have to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Get your news, once a day. no need for the constant repetition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,812 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Like most things in life, in itself the news is fine, the issue is how people engage with it.

    People are reading stories then coming on here, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, getting into rows and obsessing over it. The incident being reported is done, it's over with, you have zero power over it.

    Yet they're still getting anxious over it, 'but what about (insert minute detail of no consequence)?' You see it here when there's a news story, you could have 100 posts in a thread and some threads a random user will account for 75%+ of them.

    Just read the news, say 'grand' and move on, go spend time with your family, you won't be on your deathbed saying I wish I'd read more fcking news.

    I definitely think since Covid consumption and engagement with news has become more obsessive for some people. Not to tar with a brush either but the move to WFH accounts for part of that in my own experience, a lot of people are sitting in the house looking at four walls and aren't touching grass from one end of a week to the next. The news and panicing over it and getting into rows about it online is nearly the only way they know the world exists.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Fair enough. Though a lot of papers are full of **** too. The independent has declined greatly. The Irish Times tends to be more detailed about stuff but promotes too much wokeness for my liking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭buried


    People are getting too emotionally involved with the news, especially international news. It's all well and good to know what is going on, but for the last 10 -15 years people have become infatuated with loosing their minds over incidents that only occur and only effect places 2000-3000 miles away. And if you live in Ireland, only plan to live in Ireland, there is literally f**k all you can do about these international news stories, but the combined media would have you believe it was literally happening in the ditch beside your gaff. It's not. Look after your own and treat the news as how you'd treat the weather broadcast, its happening and there is f**k all you can do to stop it.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,733 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Stay informed, but stay away from 24-hour news media, who simply have to sensationalise and catastrophise to keep viewers.

    Years ago when I first moved away from Ireland, to a country where access to English news was limited (home broadband was in its infancy), I ended up watching a lot of CNN International, purely because it was in English. And it only took a few hours for a few days before I realised how it's the same thing over and over and over again - same questions, same presentation of threats, same exaggerations…just packaged differently in the form of different stories.

    I remember reading about how, years ago, the producers of the first cooking shows on US TV, who had assumed that the shows were educational/informative in a way, were shocked to hear that a whole load of housewives watching the programme had no intention of actually cooking any the dishes on show - they were watching purely for entertainment.

    I think the same about 24-hour news media - it's just a form of entertainment, a real life soap opera, and a bad one at that.

    Post edited by osarusan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Aptly named - sure let's just stick our heads in the sand and hope for the best. Another philosophy that suits the powers that be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Pretty much gave up on the news around 2020. If I heard "wash your hands" or "your mask protects me and my mask protects you" one more time, I do believe I may have killed myself 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭buried


    Well, loosing your precious mind over some craic that happens 3000 miles away seems to really suit the powers that be, because they continuously get away with it, even as you continuously loose your mind over it. So what's the point of me getting stressed over it. You can get stressed over it all you want F. I fully agree you have the right to do so, even if I don't advise it.

    Make America Get Out of Here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,059 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I gave up during Covid, and never really went back. I include TV and radio news/current affairs in that too. For me the biggest frustration is the lack of unbiased reportage and proper investigative journalism. That's all gone now and we have to filter out the bias of each news provider and wonder who is actually telling us the truth!

    Obviously I keep up with breaking news and all that, but I don't read articles or watch the likes of Prime Time investigates or the news anymore. And to say I'm sick of talking heads (carefully selected for bias reasons I think) on TV and radio discussing a topic, when the elephant in the room is more often than not ignored by a carefully curated panel.

    I do enjoy reading foreign news though for some weird reason. Maybe it's to convince myself that we aren't all that bad and mad here after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Cod liver oil is actually a waste of money and time when you do the research.

    Anyway…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    My cardiologist would disagree with you on that but I'm sure you know more than him 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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