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Emmanuel Macron dissolves French parliament and calls snap elections

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    #272
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355236#Comment_122355236

    I don't get these type of posts, these were so 2016.

    It reminds me of..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1IrRxoRkbQ



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    #273
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122354959#Comment_122354959

    I would?

    Talking shite you are.



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    #274
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355352#Comment_122355352

    They were so focused on Le Pen, they forgot how bad communism and the rest of the far left spectrum is. The next 2 years will (more than likely) be chaos and all Le Pen has to do is sit there and watch.



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    #275
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355254#Comment_122355254

    A good point.



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    #276
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355355#Comment_122355355

    Why not?Is FN's continuous rise written in stone?

    It has lasted a very long time.Maybe FN is a known quantity in France.(deplorables)

    If the opposing parties desisted mutually in important seats then mathematicaly there "normal" representation as a percentage of the votes is underestimated and FN's correspondingly elevated.



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    #277
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355398#Comment_122355398

    France had 12 years of stability with Chirac as president.

    Then after Sarkozy took office and we had the 2008 crash, things got interesting.

    The UMP were the Tories of France, the big centre-right coalition, but they got turfed out in 2012 in favour of the Centre-Left under Holandes Socialist Party.
    He only lasted 1 term as well and was deeply unpopular. He was so unpopular he didn't even try to win re-election and the Socialist Party finished 5th on 6%. Le Pen finished 2nd in the first round.


    Arise Macron as the winner, a technocrat who forms a centrist coalition of sorts, who promises to reform and changed France.

    Again, it was Macron and Le Pen in the next presidential election, and while she narrowed the gap substantially and while Macron was not all that popular, the people of France stuck with him out of fear.


    Now we see a further fracturing of the centre.

    The old Centre left and Centre right is nowhere to be seen, it seems that France has 3 blocks.

    A centrist technocratic block, a Popular left/far-left block comprising of Greens, Socialists, Communists and Social Democrats and a far-right block of Le Pen and Front Nationale.

    What we have now is that the centrist and Populist left block are cooperating in this election to keep out Le Pen, but that is the easy bit. Now they have to govern.

    Can you imagine old-school Marxists negotiating the ex-Corporate Banker Macron?

    This is not going to be good in the long run



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    #278
    Water John
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    Melanchon is not popular even with many who have stayed in his party, others have left. Yes, they're will be a lot of posturing and negotiation. Attal, has been asked to stay on, for now, (the last bit conveniently omitted by one poster).



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    #279
    markodaly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355483#Comment_122355483

    Because eventually, something will give.

    They are better off focusing on the reasons why people are going to these parties rather than trying to block them.

    The NF were nowhere 15 years ago. Now they are the most popular party in France (by vote numbers).



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    #280
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355518#Comment_122355518

    NF will always exist. Of course concerns can be real and have to be addressed but the French are well within their rights to lock them out of complete power if they judge it right.

    I didn't follow the arguments in this campaign as to why they were not considered safe with the keys of power but I can think of one good reason and it concerns Ukraine and Russia.

    Reason enough for me.

    "Now they are the most popular party in France (by vote numbers)."

    Also the most unpopular

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    #281
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355764#Comment_122355764

    How can the party that received the most seats and votes be the most unpopular ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #282
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355887#Comment_122355887

    Because they are so unpopular with the majority of the country... as reflected in voting pact to keep them out. Thats a serious level of unpopularity.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #283
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355906#Comment_122355906

    So who is the most popular party ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #284
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355941#Comment_122355941

    You realise it is possible for a party to be popular and unpopular at the same time?

    What matters wrt National Rally is their unpopularity with the majority of the electorate is outrunning their popularity with a portion of it.

    In Irish terms they are transfer toxic.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #285
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355962#Comment_122355962

    So who is the most popular party ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #286
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355978#Comment_122355978

    So who is the most unpopular party?

    Stalemate.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #287
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355887#Comment_122355887

    as @odyssey06 explains above. I thought it was is so f 'ing obvious I wonder why anyone would even ask.( and they did not receive the most seats ,unless you mean in the European election)



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    #288
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355993#Comment_122355993

    More like checkmate.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #289
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356013#Comment_122356013

    If you are twice as unpopular as you are popular and are unpopular with a majority of the country - are you popular? Thats overall a net negative level of popularity.

    Seems like it is the National Rally who have been checkmated by their unpopularity and the French runoff system.

    In a word they are repulsive.

    That is a comment both on their values and the effect they have on voting preference.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #290
    brickster69
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356031#Comment_122356031

    So what does that make Keir Starmer who got 34% of the vote and 66% voted against him, does that make him unpopular and repulsive ?

    Just my idea, but i think it is far better to accept that the party who gets the most votes and seats is the most popular party than trying to deny it.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #291
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356097#Comment_122356097

    The didnt vote "against" him though did they? They just didnt vote for him. Big difference. Probably if Labour hadnt gotten enough seats for a majority the Lib Dems would have gone into coalition with them. So clearly not necessarily a vote against.

    So are you posting from an alternative universe where the electorate were so repulsed by him the Lib Dems and Conservatives formed a voting pact and stood down candidates in constituencies to give the anti Labour candidate a clear run?

    Because otherwise the premise of your loaded question makes no sense.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #292
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356129#Comment_122356129

    Hey, if you think the party that gets the most votes and seats in an election is not the most popular that is up to you. Just pointing it out that for 99% of the world it does.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #293
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356217#Comment_122356217

    Its not up to me. It was up to the French electorate and they were so repulsed by the far right they shifted their voting preference accordingly. So "not the most popular" is an understatement of their toxic lack of popularity with the majority of the electorate.

    The most number of votes went to the pact of parties opposed to the far right.

    The consequence of that shift and pact is that they didnt get the most seats - it appears they are on track for third place on that score.

    So your post is wrong on multiple points.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #294
    brickster69
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    The right party was the only party to increase its vote from the first round 37% from 33.3% and came second in dozens of seats with 47%+ of the vote in those seats.

    Fact is without gerrymandering between the other group of 7 parties they would be far and away the most popular party in France yet still ended up receiving the most votes of any party. To suggest they are unpopular as a party is a wrong when up against 7 others.

    That is the way it is though and now they can sit back and chill while the mess gets sorted or becomes a crisis. We will all see in time.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #295
    Jack Daw
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    Interesting that all the Pro EU people in UK and Ireland who hate Brexit despise Le Pen who wants to remain in the EU but are now supporting Melancon who hates the EU.

    Just shows you for a lot of people if someone is described as left wing they must be good and if they are described as right wing they must be bad.For some people it seems like politics is like supporting a sports team.



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    #296
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356334#Comment_122356334

    Fact - thats not the definition of gerrymandering. So thats your post discrediting itself at the first fence.

    An election pact is not gerrymandering. No boundaries were redrawn.

    An election pact formed because of the unpopularity of the far right.

    An election pact that received more votes and more than twice as many seats as the far right.

    So in the contest between how popular the far right is, versus how unpopular the far right is - unpopular won out in votes and seats. They are not merely unpopular, they are repulsively unpopular.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #297
    doyle55
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    A lot of people despise Le Pen for her ties with the Putin regime.

    Has she made any comment about the atrocity committed today? I doubt she has.



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    #298
    Larbre34
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122355398#Comment_122355398

    Course it won't.

    Macron will spend the next few days picking off the old Socialist Party and the Greens from the New Popular Front, and along with Les Republicains they can build a centrist coalition that will keep Le Pen stewing until the end of the decade. Not too dissimilar from FG/FF/Green in this State.

    A deal of the sort I describe will command a majority of 307 out of 577. And it will give them time to mould a unity candidate for President in '27.

    Indeed, Marine Tondelier, leader of environmental party 'Les Écologistes', is already been talked about in those terms.



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    #299
    Larbre34
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    The immediate matter is always 'anyone but Hitler'. The rest is secondary.

    Besides, even a majority within the New Popular Front don't want Melanchon in charge of anything.



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    #300
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356355#Comment_122356355

    Bit of a gish gallop there.

    Noticeable on the one hand you talk of hate on one side yet remaining in the EU on the other.

    Does Le Pen hate the EU? It is the standard you have set in your posts.

    Melancon isnt calling for France to leave the EU. He may 'hate' the EU but in practice he is part of a coalition of the new popular front.

    The concern with Le Pen on the other hand was the far right with a majority in parliament.

    Can you point out what policies of the popular front are anti EU or out of step with the majority French opinion on the EU?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #301
    brickster69
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356386#Comment_122356386

    Fact is they received the most votes and seats out of 7 parties so all the other parties were less popular than them. Granted though that they were not as popular as those parties combined and were less popular.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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