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Cocaine Destroying Rural Ireland

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  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    "Scum of the earth", are you serious? What about murderers, rapists, robbers, conmen etc, people who commit crimes with actual victims. As I said before, coke-users such as the Beatles, Stones and Maradona are regarded as Gods, not scumbags.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    All the BS I've read on this and similar threads comes from supporters of prohibition. For example "it destroys communities" but can't name ONE, "it's illegal for a good reason" but won't share that with us, "dealers prey on kids" urban myth or "only the weak and simpletons take it" FGS. I honestly can't understand why so many people are anti cocaine, when by their own words, they don't know anything about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..


    You're doing a good impression of a ranter yourself

    Just saying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    "As I said before, coke-users such as the Beatles, Stones and Maradona are regarded as Gods, not scumbags."

    About 100 times before - same crap again from you.

    Why don't you list all your famous coke ambassadors here in one go and then give it a rest for good?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    Can you point out anything I've said on this thread that's crap or untrue. I'll give it a rest when prohibitionists stop posting lies about cocaine. What's wrong, can you not handle the truth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    How about Eamonn Dunphy for example - would be be one of your gods?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    "you can't get good coke in Dublin" Eamo, but no he's not one of my heroes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Misread post, deleted.

    Post edited by Princess Consuela Bananahammock on

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 Redacted Circular


    You would think the threat of fentanyl contamination would make cokeheads stop but no, they will risk their lives to shove **** powder up their noses.

    I suppose that's the tradegy of addiction, nothing will make you stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im aware legalisation is also problematic, as it is with other drugs such as alcohol and nicotine etc, but we have to change something quickly, i think an extremely slow movement towards legalisation is the way to go, but very very controlled, but yes, it would also be very very messy to….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Fantnyl is an opiod - different class of drug.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,073 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …theres no logic to addiction, its highly complex human behavior, similar to why many of us eat excessively etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Everybody is giving you countless examples of the damage this $hite does, but you don't want to accept it, so pointless trying to convince you. You just want to list out some lame celebrities and minstrels who took this muck as some sort of lame validation for its legalisation. It's never going to be legalised Tomaldo. If you think so, then its you who knows nothing about it, or where the vast money from it's traffic eventually ends up.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Why should they have to explain the process? You don't think low level dealers are mixing addictive chemical narcotics with other addictive narcotics to bulk up the volume? Are these boyos all in a trade union signed up to provide the purest form of the drug possible for the customers benefit? Dealers are in the business of addiction, if they can add a compound to prolong the addiction business then that's what they are going to do. What do you think they are going to do, add gold leaf, vitamin D or mass cards to it?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Baasterd


    You might on to something there with the added Vit D….

    Special K….Coke with added vitamin D and probiotics….look after your gut health while getting off your face 🤣

    Tis only a matter a time before the cute hoors are at it…



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Judging by this thread the dealers should hand out sachets of soy sauce and collectible panini stickers of dead celebrities to go with the bageens of $hit that never did no damage to anybody anywhere.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Because its bullshit. Sane is the 'they're cutting it with ratpoison' line.

    Dealers are not in the process or trying to kill their customers.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    lol Dealers don't want to kill their customers. What are they doing princess? What have they been doing for the last 50 years, giving the addicted customer the best life possible purely for the customers benefit by literally and knowingly making them addicts? Is that what you believe? Are you on drugs right now yourself?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Dealers ha e been avtively TRYING TO kill their customers? Actively trying to murder them by adding dangerous products? Riiiight.

    Leaving you here because this is bullshit on top of bullshit.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Well what do you think they are doing man, making their customers healthy and functioning by providing a source of well-being for their addicted consumers that will see them all well and their families into the future?

    No wonder you are leaving because you and me both know you are talking complete goobledy gook nonsense.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    "never going to be legalised" will u lend me your crystal ball, I wanna get the winning lottery numbers. Earlier you said people who condone coke use are BS merchants, can you point out anything I've said that's bs or untrue? You seem to be obsessed with damage and addiction but the vast vast majority of coke users do not get damaged or become addicts. Also why would dealers try to kill their customers, that's detrimental to their profits and people don't take coke cos they think it's nutritional, they do it for the short-term buzz, lift, effect etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    I'll point out your BS right now cuz, apart from ignoring the worldwide damage this narcotic is responsible for, your general lame tack to somehow legitimise cocaine addiction is to pontificate that various celebrities used to partake in it, so therefore it's all good. That's your go to remit to defend this destructive criminal substance. That some celebrity used to enjoy doing it. Plenty of other celebrities did other unspeakable $hit too. So that's the remit is it, some celebrity did it, we should all do it too? That's a dark road to go down man, but I'll gladly go down with you and hold your hand if you want.

    "why should dealers kill their customers" Are you five years of age and trying to lecture me on the knowledge of drugs, or do you think drugs like cocaine have brought some sort of civilizational progress to every place they have been trafficked through and consumed? Or are you currently on drugs?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 FTA2024


    The reason drug use is so high in Ireland is because our law enforcement are a joke along with the justice system.

    They know whos causing the problems but can't / won't do anything about it.

    You won't see any change until the gloves come off. The gangs laugh at the law and rightly so what's the worst that ll happen if there caught ? Cosy cell with a ps5 and 3 square meals a day lol.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    No, I haven't taken coke since Xmas 2022. You still haven't explained why dealers would kill their customers, it's not in their financial interest. I think it's important to point out that high-achieving adults have used it. I condemn what celebrities such as Gary Glitter were convicted of and what Jimmy Saville was accused of, so no you don't have to hold my hand. I know the difference between right and wrong. Paedophilia is disgusting and evil, taking coke is not. Again you focus on the word damage, but the vast majority of people take it for enjoyment with no adverse effect. I'm not lecturing you, I'm challenging your opinions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    The financial interest is addiction. The dealers know full well it is a highly addictive substance. That is why the high level dealers, y'know, them sound lads who control the cartels in the America's that have literal standing armies of illegal soldiers and assassins who lay territorial siege over vast swathe's of territory over the entire continents of central and southern America to control the production and control of the worldwide production of the same said addictive substance. The people that literally murder thousands of people who have no business hoovering the same **** up their nose that you do. But it's the addiction that causes the murder T. It causes it there, you don't see it or have to deal with it, so you are removed from it, fair enough. But the same addiction causes it here too, within your own community. That's the thing with a highly addictive substance T. The dealers don't care for keeping their customer base when the product is highly addictive. That's why I'm asking you are you a juvenile? Look at the tobacco companies, they have known since the mid 1940's that their products killed their consumers. Did they try to stop the killing? No. You telling me the Sinola Cartel is on a more righteous level than them lads from the sound tobacco companies ? Well, fair enough, show me.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    "Highly addictive" you're wrong. I first took it in the 1990's and used it about 5/6 times annually. I know others who used it more than me but not 7 days a week. They took it at weekends or special events and led normal lives. Have you ever taken it yourself?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    See that's your problem T, the rest of the world doesn't seem to conform to what your level of intake is. If it did there would be no problem at all. But there is a problem isn't there, and your self proclaimed civilised intake is also an integral problem to go along with it.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    How was my modest use of coke a problem? and did you ever take it?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    The fact you even have to ask that question just highlights the selfish addictive nature of this pathetic muck.

    No I never took it, was never into drugs, back in the day somebody gave me a joint and and I got nothing out of it. But a lot of the people I knew back in the day were bigtime into it. Three of them within the last 5 years killed themselves. I'm not putting that down to solely cocaine/drug addiction, but it definitely didn't help.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    If you've never taken it, how do you know it's pathetic muck?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Because its a highly destructive addictive substance. I've literally seen what it does. The world has.

    We all know you've taken it. So you tell me why its so great and why everybody should be taking it, sans celebrities.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    It's not a highly destructive addictive substance. Over 99% of users do not die from its use. I took it but it wasn't the cause or cure of any of my problems. Personally I think it's over priced and over-rated. I just don't believe it should be illegal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭etuzyuk


    From what I see around (rural Ireland), drug use has changed drastically last 20 years both in what people are taking, the amount of youngsters dabbling and what's actually available. Just to write it off as kids having the craic or looking for kicks, no harm done, is extremely naive to say the least. And every drug is a gateway to another drug, and drug use follows trends, that's just the nature of the beast. So what they will be using in 5 years only God knows, but the dealer certainly won't care. If the seizures of crystal meth in the south of the county are anything to go by, the trend could take a very ugly turn.

    Just on dealers not in the business of killing their customers, unfortunately they're not famous for their scruples, and it is in fact a thing in certain markets. Where you're dealing with opioid and fentanyl users, and there is a bad batch that's knowing killing people, demand for it actually increases among users as they want the "good stuff" and write off the ODs down to inexperienced users. And the dealers don't care, they're in the business of making money. Obviously they'd prefer not to kill people, but primarily their business is making money and running out of customers is not a real worry for them.

    There's a link to a documentary on opioid use in Canada. From about 6 minutes in you'll get an insight into the mindset of the casual dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Strychnine in small doses apparently acts as a stimulant, and is/was used in the cocaine cutting process - allegedly. Not to kill users though…

    Tomaldo's coke-using gods wouldn't have had to worry about cut coke though.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    If they are mixing poisons in cocaine, then surely that's an argument for legalisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Can you not make can argument without the hyperbole?

    If your arguments were accurate, there'd be tens of thousands of deaths a year in Ireland due to the stuff. The sheer volume of coke being consumed without incident proves you're argument to be hyperbolic bullshit. There'd be guards, doctors, judges dying all over the country. Kinda strange that isn't happening, no?

    But no, 'lets make up **** and say its cut with ratpoison, fantantyl, strychnine - anything we can think of - and we'll claim anyone who disagrees with us is praising cocaine Gods!'.

    I do it maybe once every six months hardly 'praising a God'. But then you can't makecan argument using rational language and informed logic, so I guess it has to be hyperbole as a substitute.

    Case in point: the replies to this are going to be abusive, make outrageous claims ans be completely devoid of any proof to any claim made.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Get it all off your chest why don't you. I honestly don't know why or how my short post about possible strychnine adulteration sparked the vitriol displayed in your reply.

    I even stated that if strychnine is or was present in street cocaine, its purpose is NOT to kill users. Rather, it is to 'boost' the effect of whatever mix is being sold.

    If you were logical in your thinking, you would have understood that.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,752 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Wow…..
    Theres a surprise… 🙄

    Users of it say its great…

    Non users are against it ….

    😝 ….and round and round it goes….

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    What makes you so special that you can spread bullshit and not be pulled up on it?

    How do you know what coke is being cut with?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Never said irs great - it's actually overpriced overrated - but I have trusted sources and if they offer, I'll.accept.

    But if it was my money, it would by staying in my pocket.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    'Bullshit' according to you…

    Do you know what your coke is being cut with? Didn't think so.

    Newsflash: Street cocaine is stepped on (cut) a number of times, by different people, before it gets to you. Hopefully they all used something innocuous.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Dante


    Making coke legal is a terrible idea for so many glaringly obvious reasons that you are either trolling or incredibly ignorant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I never claimed it was cut by anything, YOU did. The fact that I'm still alive kinda prices you wrong in my specific case.

    Now, are you going to answer the quedtion without deflection about the claim YOU made: how do ou know what cocaine is being cut with?

    Or is it just some bullshit you heard in tbe pub that fit your preconceived narrative?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Ah here, go back and read my post that started this recent rant of yours. Read it v--e-r-y slowly, word by word until it sinks in.

    Among other words, I said "is/was" and "allegedly".

    I don't know the favourite adulterants in use these days, and I don't care - because I won't be consuming it. Again I ask - do you know the constituents of the 'cocaine+" that your friends 'give' you?

    Getting bored of talking to the wall here, so work away with your little hobby-horse. And look up your thesaurus for a few synonyms of 'bullshit' while you're at it. Your BS is boring at this stage.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I don't know the favourite adulterants in use these days

    Then don't claim that you do.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,606 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Where did I claim I did know. Quote my post again and show where I said I know. You can't, because I didn't say it. Let's leave it there.

    Cue repetitive comeback to which I may not bother replying. You can think you've won if that helps.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,679 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    This one. Adding 'allehedly' doesn't really get you off the hook if you've got no backup.

    Can you claim its 'alllegedly' used? No? Then don't claim its allegedly used.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭apache


    Friends daughter died of cocaine cut with Fentanyl a few years back. Don't know why anyone would think it's not happening.



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