General British politics discussion thread

I said, if gammons didn't walk this earth then I wouldn't use the term gammon.

I see that Charlatan Cameron has no interest anymore. Thought he was some big shot on the world stage.

He'll no doubt compose some "Memoir" about his last however months of soundbites

References to blushing, going pale or being tanned are also references to skin colour, but nobody imagines that they're racist, do they? This one isn't either. It's a reference to the incessant unjustified outrage that characterises Faragism/brexitism (and indeed Trumpism) — they're always cross. The term stereotypes them as angry at loss of privilege; angry at loss of status; angry that their fantasies and delusions are not made reality for them; angry that others refuse to see the world as they do. Gammons are not gammon because their skin is white, but because their faces are constantly flushed.

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That's one to describe it alright

But a voter bloc could be described as a mob. I was really despondent during the Bertie era because I was surrounded by family and friends who were very much of the property bubble mob.

In England that's a hard nub of insular reactionaries who think everything bad is imposed upon them and never as a consequence of their own actions.

We're not allowed to point out that Faragism and Trumpism are the politics of anger? That they confect anger and seek to incite anger in others? We're supposed to politely ignore this?

Why?

Oh yay a culture wars argument.

I'm sure it will be insightful and riveting.

That's not what I've said at all - why strawman?

My point is that descending to the same level as them with pathetic childish name calling isn't the appropriate response.

It's amazing how many people are outraged by the idea that childish name-calling isn't the world's greatest behaviour.

In one way it reflects a triumph for the Farage's of the world - they've successfully pulled political discourse down to the depths that his ilk love to troll.

I'm sorry, but informal political labels are a thing, and they have been for a long time — Provos, Blueshirts, Stickies, Tories, Whigs, Wets, Dries, Trots . . . the list is endless. And they're often an attempt to draw attention to the aspects of a political group that the group concerned would rather not have attention drawn to. I'm not sure why you'd think that Faragists or Brexiters should be exempt from this, or that the failure to exempt them is some kind of new low in politics.

I could see why a Faragist would think so, of course; it would be just another manifestation of his outrage at not getting special treatment. But why would you think this?

He came back into politics because his involvement with Greensill killed off business prospects. There is no way he would have accepted the compliance rules that comes with Lords membership otherwise.

Gammon is an identifiable subgroup. It is nothing like throwing out casual racist insults such as paki. Everyone can identify the type and it says nothing about white males as a whole.

All this outrage is pure performance - a bit gammon really.

It's a but hard to take you seriously when the pejorative you have a problem with is applied solely due to how a person's color changes when they are outraged about something ridiculous, ie it's their own actions that cause them to be called a gammon. Next you will be saying we can't call people who have committed crimes criminals.

Just for context gammony can apply to any political viewpoint. It's descriptive of the high blood pressure reaction in the visage of a an incited person. I've seen similar flushes from Green party types when their clock is questioned.