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Second Captains Part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,791 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    First half of today's pod was a total disaster technically.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    I don't believe that getting rid of off-side would result in lumping it up to the big man. In GAA these days, they still try and play out from the back and retain possession. I'd at least like to see it tried in football between elite sides over a period of time to see how it works.

    Technology is ruining the game. It should be the same game from lowest amateur level to the highest professional level. You can't police off-side fairly without technology. Hence it makes sense to get rid of off-side and technology at the same time. Goals should be celebrated in the moment.

    This is the most "technological" competition in history and it hasn't been great so far.

    Football is one of the most watched and played sports because of its simplicity. Not much equipment is needed. Rules are straightforward. Technology is getting away from that simplicity.

    I think there is plenty of room for improvement.

    Allow the player to dribble or pass from the kick-ins, as they do at underage. I think this would be an improvement over throw-ins.

    Allow the player to dribble, pass or shoot from free kicks. This would allow a free kick taker to take a step and hit around any walls. It would make free kicks more exciting. Have there been any free kicks scored in this competition?

    Corners and free-kicks are damp squibs currently.

    My concern about changing the game too much and making it too attacking is that it would be advantageous to the stronger teams. What makes football so enjoyable to watch is that it is unpredictable, goals are hard to come by and Iceland can beat England on occasion. That aspect of the game should be kept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Technology is ruining the game. It should be the same game from lowest amateur level to the highest professional level. You can't police off-side fairly without technology. Hence it makes sense to get rid of off-side and technology at the same time. Goals should be celebrated in the moment.

    Offsides were policed fairly from the creation of the game until 2016.

    That's not the case and hasn't been for quite some time. Pandoras box has been opened and it can't be shut. I also disagree that the argument exists for it to be removed. If we reverted to the offside without technology for the elite level, it would return to what we had before which nobody had an issue with. There were contentious offsides but overall it was broadly agreed the rule was good (Wenger aside nowadays).

    Comparing GAA which is an entirely different game to football is pointless. Big man at the edge of the square is a tactic that is sometimes used but goals are not everything in GAA and its relatively easy to defend against. Football is entirely different. If offside was scrapped, big man at the edge of the box would be the very first thing people try. It would make the game a terrible spectacle and not something many people are calling for. There really is no issue with offside. The current issue is with technology and semi-automated solves that. Going back to no technology also probably solves that.

    I think there is plenty of room for improvement.

    Sure but I don't think much of what your proposing is an improvement. They're changes for changes sake (imo).

    Allow the player to dribble or pass from the kick-ins…Allow the player to dribble, pass or shoot from free kicks.

    Sure. I don't think that changes much.

    Of course, they're your opinions but this is SCs thread and this has nothing to do with SCs so I'm gonna stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    Hockey scrapped offside - see the article below. I'd like to see it tried over the course of a season at a high enough level to see how it would work and how teams would adapt to it. It would definitely have the benefit of making football more free-flowing, less stop-start, less interruptions to the game, less contentious decisions, making it easier to referee the game, making the pitch bigger.

    Too many people are fundamentalist about it though so unless there's a Catholic / Protestant, rugby union / rugby league style split it will never happen. It took over a hundred years to bring in the back-pass rule - nobody would want that gotten rid of now. They are now only allowing captains to speak to the ref - another good idea very long overdue.

    I'll say no more on it here and to bring it back to the Second Captains - potential rule changes to football would make a good topic for debate on the podcast.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12249982/marco-van-basten-on-the-offside-law-why-it-should-be-scrapped-and-the-hockey-precedent-that-might-surprise#:~:text=%22Without%20offside%2C%20you%20then%20have,around%20teams%20or%20through%20teams.%22



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    I've been listening to Ciarán Murphy's audiobook this morning. So far so good but I find it very annoying how he refers to his father as "dad", and not "my dad" but "dad".

    For eg "So dad was training the under 16s.."

    Or "Dad was driving down to Galway..."

    That's ok if you're talking to one of your brothers but not in a podcast or in an audiobook.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭WindmillWarrior


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Wouldn't that point be more relevant if he was on about someone else's dad? He's only ever on about his own dad so no need for further clarification. Didn't even notice when I read it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Pity Malachy Clerkin hasn't been on doing the hurling in recent weeks, be gooud to have someone who'll argue Jamie's opinion every now and again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    Shíte Euros huh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I didn't realize whether the Euros is good or bad boils down to a single game…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    Wonder why Cucurella is keeping the arms behind his back so much tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    Why are the RTE crew so misinformed, it was an accredited cameraman that slipped and accidentally tackled Morata

    No one to blame for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


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  • Registered Users Posts: 457 ✭✭Dont Be at It


    Agreed. I was looking forward to the hurling chat this week after such an epic weekend. Very disappointing that it was just murph and wall without anyone else.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,594 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I really like Joe Calllaghan's contributions with Ken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    new Ireland manager. Heimir Hallgrimsson. The Ireland thread seems to have been closed so I’ll announce it here instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭I see sheep




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    They waited 13 months to get the ex-manager of Jamaica

    7D chess by the Abbotstown mafia

    Ken and the football purists will definitely enjoy the Icelandball we’ll be playing and definitely won’t be sharpening the knives already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Fair play to them putting out a 50 minute bonus pod this evening



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    without listening to it I’d say Ken will be negative and cynical about the appointment to cloud his own campaign of “make a decision” and just give it to Oshea. One of his worst takes, I don’t care much when he has bad takes about English football but he should try harder for the national team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    The Jamaica team sounds better than the Irish team. What we'd give for someone like Bailey or Cordova-Reid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    The English are going to win the Euros and then they’re going to hockey our Icelandic dentist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭batistuta9




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    So everyone pumped for the new Ireland manager after yesterday's pod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,374 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    pretty sick of the lads’ analysis of the Irish team. What the fcuk was Ken on about with Jeff Powell? Absolute waffle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    In a way I feel like they always go into the weeds a bit too far with all these types of stories and it becomes too granular and nit-picky: going far deeper into the story than 95% of people would even bother caring about. And it can often become a story about how media stories are played out in the media.

    But, there was some food for thought in the pod yesterday. Only time will tell if it has any relevance though. If the new manager comes in and does okay on the pitch, then whether the interim director of football at the FAI was less than truthful to the press pack at a press conference won't carry much significance, if any.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    I didn’t listen to the press conference but I thought the coverage on the pod was too negative and mean-spirited. As they said themselves, previous unveiling press conferences for new managers flattered to deceive, so to be honest I’m glad the new guy didn’t come in and claim he was going to have us playing like Brazil in 1970 against England in a few weeks. Let’s face it, we’re shīt, and we’re better off with a level-headed manager who is realistic about our strength and weaknesses than some media performer or bullshit merchant like we’ve had before



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭505_


    Yeah the pod on the press conference was a tough listen. Everybody thinks the process was a bit of a joke. It’s done now and despite the left field appointment it’s as good as we could have hoped for really. Much better pedigree than his predecessor anyway. Also glad he wasn’t trying to sell us nonsense about how we’ll play or name dropping players saying he’s going to get Evan Ferguson scoring every game or whatever the lads wanted him to say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Yeah found that bit of a struggle to listen to, they seemed to be annoyed with Heimir for things out of his control. At least Murph tried to make a distinction between being annoyed with the FAI opposed to the new manager. One of those episodes where Eoin would have probably reigned in their mosning

    Not really sure why Ken was criticising Heimir for not being familiar with the FAI scandals of the past, what difference does it make? And is Heimir not going to the Euros final all that important ? He won't be short of material on England



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    I mean when he’s openly saying he’s going to have to learn the players’ names we can discount him name dropping almost anyone. We’ve got the vibes man from the Icelandic management team that beat England eight years ago.

    He’s better than Stephen Kenny and won’t have us trying to play like prime Barcelona with League One players sure but let’s not lose the run of ourselves. 13 months after knowing we’d need a new manager this isn’t the proof that FAI knew what they were doing all along like some here tried to convince themselves of. The lads are right to be worried that this process and even the announcement was so bungled that it doesn’t well of speak to the FAI’s capabilities to address any of the structural issues it has effectively.

    Best of luck to the lad because he’s going to need it looking at the organisation he’s stepped into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,154 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Fairly miserable pod alright, and I think pretty unfair on Hallgrimsson himself. The FAI deserve whatever criticisms they get really, but some of the reaches they were making to be down on Heimer was a bit much.

    Like, the names thing - in the context it was said it could just as easily be interpreted as all the people around the FAI and Abbotstown that he'll be working with, which perhaps makes more sense given that these are the people he'll be directly introduced to in these couple of days he was talking about.

    And as for not giving us more information on how he'll play - well, Branno himself was right there in the press conference and asked two questions, both asked as barbs against the FAI while bigging up Duff in the process. Maybe if Branno wanted to know something about the new manager sitting right there in front of him, he should've asked?

    And Ken going into his 'would one of ours not be just as good?' line of thinking… like, we've no-one within a million miles of his international experience and success.

    They spent so long in the past complaining about how the FAI seemed to only be looking at names your average lad in a pub would know, ignoring lesser known but highly capable people - and then we go and hire that exact sort of person, and they complain about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's as if the Kenny era never happened.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,711 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    I mean it wasn't the most upbeat pod ever, sure. And I'm willing to give him a chance etc.

    But there are definitely alarm bells when I hear that craic about a prime reason for taking the job was wanting to work with the FAI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    What on earth was Ken saying to "try one of our own", haven't we got that out of our system after the Kenny era?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Dante


    **** me, that was a painful listen.

    They are totally clouded by their detestment of the FAI top brass.

    They would rather drone on and on over the semantics of Mark Cannon's every word than discuss anything even remotely constructive about the new manager.

    Its almost as if they want to see him fail just to point the finger at the FAI. Its as if the Stephen Kenny era never happened the were they are waffling on.

    I also find Richie's sanctimonious tone increasingly hard to listen to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    It would send a shiver up your spine to hear the professionalism of the FAI being praised, but I thought their splitting of hairs and nay-saying got almost to the point of parody yesterday.

    It'll come down to whether this guy can deliver on the field. That's it.

    At the end of the day whatever the FAI top brass had to say at a press conference doesn't matter a shyte.

    I love Ken and all, but let's not forget he backed Stephen Kenny for a long long time and most recently was talking up J'OS and his suitability for the role. On paper, at least, I think the new manager is manifestly better qualified than J'OS - and that seemed to be lost amidst the noise about timelines and press releases.

    They're at a disadvantage when Eoghan isn't around when stories like this break. He can take and argue the opposing view well and stops them all going down the group think rabbit hole on a subject.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭al87987


    Yes, Eoin was greatly missed and I imagine he'll take that funeral pod to task upon his return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Generally agree with the sentiment of most here. There was too much preaching to the choir regarding the FAI and a repetition of many previous podcasts. It's probably driven by the media scrums desire to fire shots at the FAI and who can dig the biggest hole for whomever the current target is.

    Branno coming out of the press conference "feeling grim"!? Why the f*CK was he feeling grim? Get a grip.

    The number 1 priority is winning football matches and Branno said it himself that not enough questions were asked of him regarding how to do this. I, for one, am massively more interested in the new manager's take on football and life and anything really rather than trying to find out the exact moment the FAI decided to get him.

    Also, way too big a deal is being made of the new manager's getting to know players' names comment. He's said that he's watched all the games, so he knows everybody, he just doesn't know them, know them.

    Anyway, will England be easier to beat if they win or lose on Sunday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    If England win on Sunday they'll be celebrating for so long I doubt they'll turn up for that game.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    Presumably they’re not doing anything ahead of the All-Ireland semifinals this weekend? It’s a bit odd to preview national league matches earlier in the year and then not bother for the last four in the championship.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    It is a bit strange, not like they needed to dedicate nearly two hours to talking about the new Ireland manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Weird that Eoin is away at the same time Ken is off at a tournament.

    The H… hard to spell Icelandic guy podcast was mostly waffle but the Ken's continued train adventures bit was funny

    Can I be the first to make the "watching Ireland has been like pulling teeth, so they might as well have got a dentist in" remark 😝

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    "England fans like Ronnie Whelan and the rest" shots fired 🤣

    Edit: Ken said that a ref 'turned whistleblower' 😆

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Tucker.Tim


    This thread is far more at odds with reality than the lads were.

    The FAI were, are and likely will remain a joke shop. Any manager is starting on negative points in effect with this job. A 17 month contract in particular is utterly absurd to me because if he’s actually the right man like they’re swearing he will need a lot longer to fix the mess Stephen Kenny left behind for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,746 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But if he's not the FAI can't afford to pay out the remainder of a contract and then employ someone else. Hence the smell of death around Kenny for so long.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,064 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Not sure why he'd start on negative points. He starts from zero, nothing about the last 9 months will be held against him. If anything, he will be given plenty of leeway in the Nations League due to lack of prep time.

    Why would the FAI give him a longer contract? It's not a club, there's nothing to "fix" (from the senior men's management position). He will either get the best out of the players and a new contract or he won't.

    The FAI are 50+ million in debt. They can't hand out 4 year 650k a year contracts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Our worst manager in our history received backing in the media, on Second Captain's and from a large section of our support long after he had proven to be way out of his depth. It's a bit rich that some of these same people are now having a go at our new manager when he's only started the job. The recovery from the Kenny era will take time. We were a disorganised mess for most of the past 4 years. Hallgrimsson has a decent record with small nations at international level. I'm interested to see what he can do with our exciting squad. It's time to put all the negativity of the last reign behind us and have some optimism looking forward. A new man with new plans and a decent squad. I think we could seriously challenge for World Cup qualification!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,612 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    The only person Ken wanted was John O'Shea and I've no idea why



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Everyone likes John, and hopefully he will be a successful manager and one day return to manage Ireland when he has more experience.

    I found the clamour for him by some Irish football journalists, to get the job, a bit baffling. I'm glad the FAI ignored it.



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