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Solar PV Hints, Tips & Troubleshooting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Bet it will light up with 5



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Ron.


    If 5 are required I could be waiting months for them to reconfigure ffs :-)



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Any photos of DIY fence mounted panel installations? I got my hands on a few secondhand 250W panels (for free) and thinking of mounting to the E/W fencing in the back garden. Standard 1.8m concrete posts with wooden panels in between. Where are people getting microinverters these days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    ☀️



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    If you went portrait there, would you get 2 on each "fence panel"? They are ~1.7m long usually no?

    I used these guys https://www.wattuneed.com/en/43-inverters-converters?SubmitCurrency=1&id_currency=1&q=Brand-Hoymiles

    Pretty prompt, but don't know if there are cheaper out there. Then get one of those openDTU kits for 40 quid for the telemetry. Probably afix it with a hinge at the top too so you could angle it out in the summer time when the sun is more overhead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DC999


    Was 300 inc vat for the 4 port, 1.6kW microinverter in Kellighers - about 6 months ago. Need a separate device to get data.

    I got 10 year old 250w panels and rails and put them on my folks shed a few months ago. They are working fine. Gives them a few kWh a day. Every little helps!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,715 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Got microinverter from Germany also, took about a week from memory. Also used blinkyparts for the Opendtu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    ☀️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Thanks. Fence panels are shiplap so not a chance they'd take the weight of the panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Swap them out for composite ones and never have to worry about it again 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    You might be able to affix directly to the concrete posts, they do have rebar in them though.

    ☀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    It's an optical illusion, the width of those two panels together is 2.25 meters. I think my fence is about 1.9m.

    ☀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Guys, question for you.

    Below is plot of consumption, it looks like at certain times of the day (mainly when the house load is very low say 100- 200watts) that the time period either side actually shows zero load which can't be true.

    Now if I look back across the last few days since install on some days that period of "flat line" has lasted for upto 1 hour.

    I called it out to the installers and they opened a TT with Solis who investigated and said that is normal because load is very low.

    Not sure that this is 100% correct as I have some other Tuya switches that can measure as small as a couple of watts consumption?

    Just wondered if anyone else has seen this behaviour, or could it be a dodgy ct or even the position of ct?

    If I look at the ESBN HDF file on that too I see zero load at times but that would be related to the sensitivity of the Smart meter I guess?

    Thanks

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Of course, the graph is scaled to 4kW, so it could be a rounding thing for the graph, but not necessarily that the inverter is not supplying the load, or that zero is being consumed.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    Perfect, thanks guys, if I set it up on Home Assistant and took the data locally from the logger would I not see it or would it still look same?

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Same. When the house load is below 100W, the value falls to 0W.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭mjatkey


    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DC999


    On the NC6, is having 2 inverters compliant? As in can you have more than one once it’s below the NC6 kW limit?

    I’ve to ask the installer to resubmit the NC6 from 2 years ago to reflect the 2 inverters they installed at the time. What they submitted was a 4kW inverter but they actually installed 2 x 3kW inverters (long story of messing during the install!). There was a 6kW limit on NC6 then so I'm compliant assuming they accept the correction from the install date.

    Now Energia limit my export to the (incorrect) NC6 limit, which means it’s basically ‘clipping’ on a sunny day. And leaves me no headroom to expand.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I don't think energia can limit your export? Or have you evidence of this (eg pulling up the ESBN graph and the energia graph)

    2 inverters is fine on the nc6 as long as your under the now 25 amps... I don't think you need to do anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭idc


    Yes 2 inverters is compliant once the total is less/equal 25 amp for single phase. I got a second inverter a month or two before the limit came in, so have a 5kW + 1 kW inverter. When I upgraded to 12kVA connection the connection agreement confirmed that I have a 6 kVA export.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I had posted in the quotes thread but prob not the right place. This thread maybe feels better as I'm after some tips. I have a few questions that others may have already covered in their own systems that would be good to get some insight into.

    1. Solar Tubes - I have solar tubes but they are hit and miss with Hot water only really produced in the summer. And we have to oil heat the water every day to get it hot enough for the missus (we have no electric showers). Can an Eddi be combined with the tubes to run the emersion from the top of the tank and let the tubes heat from the bottom? Or is it one or the other?
    2. Battery - I'm home all day and have an EV. The current thinking is that a battery would be unnecessary / too long a payback and I'd be better off plugging the car in once I've dropped the kids off to school on a sunny day.
    3. Garage and house install - I won't get many panels on the roof of the house. But I do have a Steel frame shed that is 6mx4m. Has anyone else mounted on a shed & house? If spitting the system across two buildings, how are they connected? I do have a duct running from the steel shed to a pump house. The pump house has a small secondary fuse box. And that is connected to the main fuse box via duct. I'm assuming it is just a wire from the panels but it needs to get to the invertor. Where that ends up I'm not sure. Likely the attic as I have a nice block wall right beside the attic access door.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    1. Eddi is just a fancy dimmer switch for the immersion, It will work the same as how your immersion currently works with the solar tubes.
    2. Battery, currently its better to export and just charge the car on night rate. (also similar argument for the eddi, Could be cheaper to export and still use oil)
    3. Yes, but why not put it all on the shed? How many would you think you could put on the house roof, Have everything out in the shed and have a good power supply taken out there? Put everything out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Thanks for the reply.

    1. I'm not sure the emersion even works 😪. But that solves that as in I can have both. Thanks. 😁
    2. I'm on a fixed Flogas rate at the moment. 30c a unit. But due to a change in August anyway so will look at more suitable offers for night charging. I have the smart meter but not the smart plan. But again I think that answers my question and that no battery is the best move.
    3. The shed is a "farm shed". Steel tech style metal roof and walls but not waterproof, wind and rain can get in so I'd be hesitant about putting it all out there if inside was better. But it has a very solid steel frame so not worried about load from panels. I'd say you would get 10-12 panels on it as it is 6m long and 4m wide.
      1. The house roof is awkwardly shaped. Long story short there are 3 pockets that could fit a 2-3 panels but the main area I think they would fit the most in one spot is the 5m long x 4/5 wide east/west roof section. Again 10ish could fit I'd say.

    I'm getting a quote later this week. So I guess the advice is load up on as many panels as will fit, skip the battery, and add the Eddi…..if the emersion is working 😂

    Edit: The emersion is working 😄. So that's a plus. I switched it on for an hour and watched the temp. Slowly but surely it went up. Only by about 5 degrees after an hour. I had a look and it's not actually a top down insert but rather a side insert about 3/4 of the way down a 300-liter tank. So has a lot of work to do. And likely limescale is not helping as we are in a very hard water area with our own well.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Thats exactly where mine are, Portal frame shed, my inverter is in the barn though, but the inverters can go outside, so inside a farm shed is no issue at all.

    What aspect is the shed? can you put it on both sides of the roof.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Oh nice, that's good to know. There is lots of room in the shed.

    The shed roof is directly east / west. Same as the roof. In fact the ridge of the roof and shed run in a line. So all the east facing panels would be facing the same way. Same with the west.

    I see Energia are advertising they have 550w panels. 10-12 of those would be a decent level of production. Not sure how they are cost wise for the install.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Higher output panels are generally just bigger in size. Steel roofs are generally easier to install on (using micro rails). Which could be useful for you. Roughly "standard"panels are 1.1* 1.7 m, you may be able to squeeze 10 onto each roof, maybe.

    Mine is SW/NE low slope does suffer in the winter but it starts early in the morning and goes late in the evening on the good days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭tech


    Just received 2 x quotes

    Option 1

    18 x Jinko 435 Bifacal

    Solis 5KW Hybrid Invertor

    Solis quote 2 x WECO Batteries 10.6KW €11000

    Option 2

    18 x Jinko 435 Bifacal

    Huawei 5KW Hybrid Invertor

    Huawei Quote 2 x 5KW Batteries with BMS €12500

    Adding additonal Battery costs
    Weco = €1800
    Huawei = €2400

    Eddi Option €650

    what if any is the advantage of going with Huawei over Solis ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭tech




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    You will get more feedback in the solar quotes thread.

    Maybe update post to include or exclude grant. 2100 can make or break a quote.

    ☀️ 7.8kWp ⚡3.6kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



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    The price of those batteries is scandalous. I've seen way cheaper posted recently. Keep shopping round and getting feedback



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭paulbok


    You might need to check that the supply cable out to the shed it suitable for the load from the panels. May have been just a basic one suitable for lights and a couple of sockets



  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Ron.


    Finally up and running now. Reverse polarity in the cables. This obviously should have been picked up by the electrician bringing the cable from projoy to the inverter in the first place.

    2 minute fix that took weeks. In fairness to the supplier, they gave me a discount on the final payment which I didn't ask for. It more than covers the lost generation while waiting.

    The 9 panel string kicks in at 5am & the 4 at 7am. 8/5 or 7/6 split would be better but the lose is insignificant. Will keep an eye on it over the winter months though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Ffs, this just shows no dc testing was done. At least you're sorted now.

    ☀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    I recently put a poll on FB asking about issues left by installers regarding badly installed CT clamps. Shockingly, it was worse than one in 10 installs had CT clamp issues



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Updates to the MyEnergi and SolisCloud apps this morning and I'm not sure if there's an issue with one or other of them.

    Wife has the washing machine on and SolisCloud showing a heavy enough load but MyEnergi has continued to show the home as being idle or much less than what SolisCloud is reporting. Even at that it takes a while to update the app to show usage across the home, Zappi and grid (was even showing grid drawdown at one point when there was none).

    Activity then just drops off the app and it shows nothing happening at all across anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    The crappy Solis Cloud is only a snapshot in time every 5 minutes. Look at the inverter screen or MyEnergi for Live figures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    SolisCloud is giving me better figures than MyEnergi, albeit every few minutes.

    So I'm wondering if there's a configuration issue with the Zappi/Hub. There's a Harvi in the mains electrical box so what should I expect to see in the MyEnergi app? My percentage figure remains 0 in the Green Leaf and when clicking through into the Leaf I never get green consumed gen figures, just Consumption(imported from Grid) and Generation figures.

    The House consumption only shows consumption history when taken from the grid, doesn't show consumption when on solar/battery so I must be short a CT on the solar side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Post a pic of the screen if unsure, but it can't know about what it can't see.

    You should have 2 X CT 's - one Grid and one Solar (on the AC live at either the inverter or the fuseboard).

    CT's should be hard wired back to an Eddi or Zappi. A Harvi is a past resort when hard wiring is not possible



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    unfortunately a Harvi is the first port of call for lazy installers



  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭The devils


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I took a look around over the weekend, seems like there's just the one Harvi at the smart metre. I fairness, I suppose, when the EV charger installer came the electrician setting up the inverter was still working on it so he wasn't hanging around for the day until he finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    It's not that. If you want a MyEnergi CT clamp for monitoring the solar, you would have to pay extra separately for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Installation was by the same company as part of the same package. Solar team spilled over a bit into the next day when the EV guys arrived so they weren't two separate installs by two different companies, so I'd expect a compete set up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,213 ✭✭✭championc


    Nobody will install a MyEnergi CT clamp for Solar, unless you specifically request / order it. It is not fully mandatory for the Zappi or Eddi. Yes, the Zappi cannot function to it's full potential.



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