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Why aren't areas like Beaumont and Walkinstown more popular.

  • 09-07-2024 7:46pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭


    They have great public transport, mature areas, and good schools.

    I know 'good value' and 'affordability' is subjective.

    You would get a 3-bed semi in either area with a big garden and lots of potential for sub 450k in either area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    I think Beaumont is popular enough but I know what you mean not achieving bidding wars like Cabra 🤣. Beaumont is superior area to Cabra, decent houses etc close to town.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You would be lucky to get a house in Beaumont for 450K let alone less than that. Last person I know that bought a property in Beaumont where the asking price was 450k paid 540k less than 8 months ago. There are a few apartments in the area which go for less but there aren't that many.

    I don't know anything about Walkinstown but you have Beaumont wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I dont know what you mean by not popular. Is there a swathe of unocuppied/for sale/for rent properties in either area?

    Considering the shortage of property citywide, people go where they can find somewhere affordable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Beaumont certainly not unpopular, well served with shops, schools, services, bus routes, near airport and the hospital.

    But maybe not as popular as other areas on the Northside that are on DART line, or closer to bigger parks \ the sea.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I was going by the property price register.

    I didn't say unpopular but the way things are you imagine there be people queuing up to buy or even look at Ardmore park or Montrose again good value.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    To me id rather buy in a mature area with good transport links and spend a few years renovating that go further out to get a new house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Good value is subjective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You seemed to have missed the prices are higher than you stated. There are cheaper properties being sold but they weren't 3 bed semis being sold at full price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    This thread is a nonsense…what does "more popular" even mean OP? The market is currently gaga with every property enjoying elevated demand - even in Beaumount and Walkinstown!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    A house in good order in either of those areas would sell for something between 500-600k. A new build, if there are any, would be even more. I'm not sure what you mean by "popular".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Or good value?

    If Im going to spend 448k on a house Im going to want at least one ensuite bathroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    they they are both extremely working class

    basically portabello west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    My post came about after talking to someone who wanted to buy in Phibsbougro but could not get anything they were reluctant to look at Beaumont, Beaumont is next to Phibsbourgro.

    The second point is what is wrong with buying a house that is solid but needs refurbishment and doing it up over 4 or 5 years tipping away at it bit by bit.

    I knew someone who did that they could only afford the double glazing for the front of the house one year and the double glazing for the back the next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Phibs is as close to ranelagh as it is to beaumount though

    this is their concern



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Beaumont is not next to Phibsborough at all. There's Marino, Glasnevin & a few others in between them! Could explain why they were reluctant to look there if it's not within the area they want to be.

    As for buying a house & doing it up as such. When the houses are north of €500k, having money to put into refurbishments becomes a lot less as most people would be up to the line trying to buy the house. If it's just small things that it needs then that would probably be fine to live with but if you need to replace a kitchen, bathroom or windows, a lot of people couldn't afford to do that for a few years after purchase which lessens the appeal. Plus if its first time buyers, they couldn't get the extra help if it's on a second hand house as opposed to a new build. Pushed a lot of people to place a higher personal value on new build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You'd have to have an understanding of why were they keen on Phibsboro.

    I wouldn't have said Beaumont is next to Phibsboro. Drumcondra would be next.

    Beaumont is a mature area, Phibsboro has an up and coming vibe with shops, restaurants etc.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    BER rating of F. How does one afford to save up to replace the windows with double glazing, if you are spending all your money trying to warm the place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Beaumont is a mature area.

    It’s desirable due to its location… close to major employment centres such as Beaumont hospital and Dublin Airport…. The area has good transport links, amenities such as gyms, sports clubs, shopping, several pubs and restaurants.

    You’ll be at the airport from the centre of Beaumont in about 15 minutes driving ….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    They are certainly not extremely working class. I'd class them as being between working-class and middle-class. Your two posts in this thread are idiotic and not of benefit to the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    yep, I’m not very familiar with Walkinstown but im very familiar with Beaumont. Working class it ain’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    They are extremely working class, the housing is too, Beaumont less so

    Everywhere has middle class people forced into them because there is nowhere to go

    The clip was perfect

    If you listed suburbs of Dublin Walkinstown would be bottom 1/4 for sure, bmont bottom 1/3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Its just curiosity really

    Anyway, the person I know who did a refurb bit by bit, a long time ago now, he had a tenant as well as refurbishing the tenant was happy with the cheap room.

    Maybe its different for two men living together they put up with mess.

    Post edited by mariaalice on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    A lot of the housing stock in Beaumont would be 1970 s and either requiring BER upgrading or recently done . Mainly 4 beds with large park , shopping centres , pubs and close to or great buslinks/ corridors to the city . Not to mention the hospital .

    For those in good condition You could add another 75 to 100k at least to your 450 there, op .

    Many have good size gardens and extensions as well as attics converted .

    But much more settled vibe than Phibsborough . Older people , families .

    Also housing stock in Phibsborough is mainly 3 bed Victorian redbrick terraces smallish , full of character , or 4 bed Edwardian semis with big gardens ..usually needing complete upgrading or very expensive . Younger vibe . No comparison really .

    Next stop down from Beaumont is Drumcondra which lies east of Phibsborough .

    So both close to city although latter nearer .

    Beaumont close to the sea and St Anne's Park .

    I don't think its so much a question of being more popular , its whatever you are looking for and can afford to spend .

    A lot of old and new houses in Artane and Killester which is further east again and has facilities of Beaumont but a different vibe again .

    Again prices ranging from mid 400 k to high 500s depending on size and location .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    It's certainly not middle class, unless you think you are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Weird how that doesn't have the big back garden you mentioned before. The point is you claiming sub 450k and found one which had obviously not been upgraded in a while.

    You really are reaching



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    One of those has a football pitch for a garden

    The other had been done up

    Surely they are both more of a stretch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    Yes you sound like you know what you're talking about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Thank you. Finally calling this fellow on his idiotic comments.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭NickNickleby


    Curious to know your definition of a middle class area, and in what regard Beaumont doesn't make the cut. Serious question.

    Asking for a friend.(literally)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    There's nothing wrong with buying a house that needs work, but that's not an option for everyone. Indeed, there is a lot to be said for being able to move in without the hassle and expense of doing work, even if it's DIY.

    Speaking personally, I would have no issue at all with these areas. The only drawback is the proximity to DCU, which means students.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Beaumont is no where near being next to phibsboro🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Very few houses in that area of Dublin have ensuites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Both middle class areas. I’d say popular enough with middle income earners.

    Well built houses, decent space,not many can afford these without a large mortgage. ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Northside? Castleknock, Portmarnock, tarf

    You know places that aren't corpo houses wall to wall

    Howth South side is upper class, there are only pockets of these areas

    Fairview Raheny also fall into it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I know that, I used to live in the area. All I am saying is, if Im going to spend 448k for a 3 bedroom house, I wouldnt want to be sharing a bathroom with 2+ additional people.

    Thats why I was questioning the good value assertion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    A bit thong in cheek but imagine having to come home from work and light a fire to be warm, cook a dinner on an ancient cooker donated by your parents live with swirly carpets and a green bathroom and spend 4 years living like that doing the house up because that's all you could afford also having a tenent.

    The world didn't end

    The middle class thing is laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Those in middle class Beaumont keep buckets in the wardrobe. Is that not good enough for you?

    Anyone how these areas obtain their official designation? I would like to make a submission to have some areas around here upgraded.

    Populations change over time. The wealthy townhouses of Georgian Dublin became the squalid tenements. People paying massive prices for apartments down around the IFSC and over on Grand Canal Dock which would have been almost no-go areas for the same people a generation earlier. That said, I think there is also a bit of a bang of snobbery off those trying to convince others that certain rougher areas are now "middle class" …. perhaps because they don't want to be categorised as "lower" or "working" themselves.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Can't speak for Walkinstown, but Beaumont is very popular.

    I would class it as "lower middle class" whatever that means. If you call Clontarf "middle class" for example, then Beaumont is not "middle class", but if you call Finglas working class, Beaumont is not "working class".

    I've also never heard Phibsboro and Beaumont being described as next to each other (maybe because they are not). They are miles apart in more than one definition of the word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    All this class discussion reminds me of this sketch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I think "value" isn't an adjective that can be applied to housing in Ireland anymore :/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    I don't see how this relates to ensuite bathrooms…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    A bucket in the wardrobe = poor man's ensuite

    The other bit was a reference to the implicit class distinction in your statement that

    Very few houses in that area of Dublin have ensuites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    Implicit class distinction? What?

    The houses in that area don't have ensuites because they're older houses. Ensuites didn't become standard until what, 30 years ago? A house in Blackrock or Stillorgan of the same era wouldn't have an ensuite either, unless it was added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I wish I hadnt mentioned ensuites now.

    All I meant was, 448k, 3 bedrooms I would expect not to have to share a bathroom with others. Thats all I meant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭LimeFruitGum


    Their locations are convenient, but unless you were visiting a mate there, I don't think either suburb has much craic or scenery to offer, like say Clontarf. That isn't to say the areas are bad because I don't think they are, they're just heavily residential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,858 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Walkinstown is getting a fair bit of stick here!
    Greenhills is a lovely settled well to do area.
    You’ll see plenty of extensions done on houses and nice cars in the driveways.
    Very good bus services in the Walkinstown area- the big issue is traffic.
    Unless you are up the long mile road end, you are not near a LUAS, so dependent on a bus.
    The busses in this area have to battle a lot of traffic as there isn’t much QBC infrastructure.
    There are plenty of schools, health centres, doctors etc.

    House prices are nuts though.
    The cherry trees a great little pub 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,528 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°




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