Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Firstly we all know that photo and what that tragedy stands for , so thats a cop out .

Secondly I have never ever said "squeeze everyone in" , thats bs , I am very much for more control and have always said that. Some like to call those that disagree " open borders brigade" and " all welcome here crowd" . This is just a way of othering people so you do not have to discuss or take their views seriously . Or trying to dogwhistle others to pile on .

As to reasonable discussion I have tried over and over to counter and discuss, but it is repetition and fruitless because the same rants are appearing every day .

This is you in the above post trying to deflect again from you encouraging extreme viewpoints from others without calling them out , and yet saying you are reasonable and moderate .

If you were, you would be just as vocal against those posts as you are against some of the rest of us here .

The repetition here is particularly grinding .

Continuous posts about tents and adult males and tents and wherever people are moved to isn't right for various reasons , so they should end up back in tents ...or no tents according to some .

Discussion about dilution of culture and theories about plantation are beyond comment at this stage . They are conspiracy theories put forward by far right groups from the KKK to the BNP and if people here want to discuss and support that , it is not what I want to be involved in , thank you .

It is depressing and out of proportion with the current refugee situation .

I suggest that many of us could and would be better employed on another more general thread ...but there would be no cosy echo chamber to rely on .

Would suit me and megaman well , not so sure about you though .

Goodbye and good luck . I suppose spending time posting here on this thread has shown me that although boards is a pretty decent forum generally , even it has its dark areas , ones that are best avoided , for me anyhow .

And it’s Ireland’s border policies to blame for that?

We refuse shockingly few entrants as things stand and send back even fewer

What is your alternative suggestion that would stop the people torturing and raping because of Ireland as you say?

We can work with Europe, from a position within the EU, to help make the passage for asylum seekers safer and more fluid.

That's just throwing away money. No matter how much you give them the money will not get to where it is needed or address the issues, it will all be siphoned off by corrupt governments their officials and anyone else involved so that when the money gets to where it is needed it is nothing but pennies.

We can stop them coming by making it difficult for them to enter the country and not accepting the "sorry boss, I lost my passport or have no documents excuse", if this means they go into some field with a tent and they have to stay there till they are processed then so be it. Make coming here without the proper documentation as unpalatable as possible for those who want to try it, come here with the right documentation then come on in.

As for sending money over to them, this has been going on for decades and still nothing has improved, nothing, if anything it has gotten worse. So maybe if money is being sent it comes with stringent stipulations to stop it being siphoned off before it gets where it needs to go. We can't tell these countries how to run themselves but we can put in these stipulations so the money gets to where it goes or it gets reduced till those siphoning off the money get the message and it is all countries that send money to these countries that need to do that.

Thanls GG. And very true, but of course very difficult to implement and sustain.

It certainly has to be part of the solution though.

Ireland has the best border wall there is out there, its called the deep cold Atlantic ocean surrounding us. But even that doesnt seem to work. So not a hope any physical wall will prevent illegal immigrants getting into Europe.

Our Island can be compared with Japan in terms of geography of and Island or say Singapore in terms or populatiion size. But they don't have a problem with illegal immigration and false Asylum seekers. Reason ? Strict policies, enforcement of those policies. And guess what? It works !

Actually if you read the article much of it is about moving away from existing aid models and encouraging businesses development between Africa and Europe.

In hindsight I think the decision to refuse Morocco entry to the EU in the nineties was a big mistake.

Might have led to a whole other path.

Couldn't agree more and yet another example of the very loose language thrown about and at other Irish citizens who have the temerity to question just what is happening and what the long term consequences at. It's so easy to label anyone who has reservations as 'far right' or 'racist' etc etc. Those perpetuating this line of reasoning do themselves no favours at all. It actually has the reverse effect as how can you take other more reasonable points they make, anyway seriously.

I think I remember you suggesting before that we should hire boats and go to Africa to pick up people to bring back here and house. Absolutely absurd. Are you trolling?

The asylum seekers coming here are coming from safe countries and we're now paying them to leave! Not even the Irish government, as reckless as it is, agrees with you.

You're clearly advocated for the removal of immigration laws so that more people can claim asylum here. I really cannot overstate how ridiculous it is to suggest we shouldn't have immigration laws.