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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭bluedex


    Regarding Ireland's climate and how it has changed/not changed over the last 50 years, the following 30 year average data is supplied by Met Eireann, for Dublin Airport:

    Mean temp: 1961-1990 = 9.6c; 1971-2000 = 9.8c; 1981-2010 = 9.8c; 1991-2020 = 9.7c

    Wind, mean # of days with gales: 1961-1990 = 8.2; 1971-2000 = 8.6; 1981-2010 = 8.2; 1991-2020 = 7.8

    Rainfall, mean # days with > 5mm: 1961-1990 = 48; 1971-2000 = 43; 1981-2010 = 42; 1991-2020 = 48.8

    There's plenty more data on their website for anyone who wants to review it.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    not even alarmism at this stage.just utter bollix



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭ginger22


    They are all lining up to take the taxpayers handouts for "green research"

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/watch-dairy-and-carbon-sequestration-research-awarded-funding/



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭creedp


    What are we lecturing people for? Maybe we should lecture people to stop buying our agri products or stop flying to this cold wet Rock in the middle of the Atlantic for tourism purposes?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    According to your link

    Between 1900 and 1950 we had 5 Major Weather Events

    In the 1950s there was 1 Major Weather Event

    In the 1960s there were 3 Major Weather Events

    In the 1970s there were 5 Major Weather Events

    In the 1980s there were 8 Major Weather Events

    In the 1990s there were 9 Major Weather Events

    In the 2000's there were 9 Major Weather Events

    In the 2010's there were 7 Major Weather Events

    And 4 since 2020

    So I can only presume you agree the major weather events are increasing in number. Or maybe RTE are wrong



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    China alone has approved the addition of 218 GW of new coal burning plants in the last two years. That is 40 times our current electricity demand. Greens could tax the bejasus out of us, cull every bovine in the state, ban every car and close the country down and it would not make one iota of difference in reducing global emissions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Your summation speaks to the relationship between climate activism and weather extremism. All natural events unless you can prove otherwise or can discount the impact of improved monitoring and reporting by Met Eireann in the post WWII era (~80 years). Speaking of monitoring in that timeframe we have developed a wide array of tools we use to mitigate the consequences of the most dangerous kinds of weather events, building standards have improved, search and rescue is better, alerting is better and life expectancy of the general population has increased, we are not powerless (unless you count the electricity disconnections during storms - sic) in the face of these events.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/RS188.pdf

    True to form ESRI telling the sponsor what it wants to hear. The research was commissioned by an activist group Climate and Health Alliance (CHA), funded by the Irish Cancer Society and Irish Heart Foundation, along with the EPA and Irish climate quango. This is junk science using computer modelling with no demonstrated skill at predicting the future, this time they settled on RCP 4.5 (not as flashy as RCP 8.5), once you see RCP, the output is fiction.

    More people die in Winter (excess winter deaths), how many peoples lives will be extended by warmer temperatures? It cuts both ways. ESRI and CHA had already decided on their conclusion before hand.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You never asked about the size of the difference Ireland would make, you only asked if we would make a difference



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The link between extreme weather and the warmer planet is well documented. The link between emissions and ozone layer expanding also

    I know you don't believe it but it's a fact that you will eventually just have to get used to



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    You are getting confused relying on nothing more than media sensationalism driven by people who work for organizations specifically funded to promote that narrative. Go examine what is being presented to you, you will eventually learn it is not based on fact and hard data but on models and prejudice. Step outside the bubble and read Steve Koonins Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters for a more nuanced perspective on the topic.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭bluedex


    I think I'll follow my own advice and refrain from arguing with idiots 😂

    It's as pointless as arguing on the internet... Oh wait!....

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I didn`t ask you anything.

    I was replying to your belief that Ireland reducing emissions, in that it would not make one iota of difference.

    No more than culling 200,000 cows here would make a blind bit of difference to global emissions



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    And the answer is...

    It would make no difference at all. If we reduced our emissions to zero it wouldn't make a difference. In fact, if we doubled our emissions it also wouldn't make any difference.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It is costly but useless climate change mitigation policies, applied unilaterally by the West (EU in particular) against itself and ignored in practice by just about all other nations, that are arguably the major cause of the continuing and now terminal decline in the economic and social well being of EU member states citizens should we continue on this path. It may not seem obvious now, but to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway, how do you go bankrupt?, two ways, gradually and then all at once. That is how net-zero ends.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    How much will we be able to move the needle?
    Will we be able to reduce the global temperature by .01 degree, or .001 degree?
    Any evidence modelling to support any of this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭bluedex


    It's amazing that there were no weather events before 1798! 🤣

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Do you have proof to what you are saying? It's a well documented scientific fact that increasing carbon emissions results in an increase in global temperatures.

    Ireland going carbon zero in the morning would make a minimal difference, of course we can accept that, mainly because of our fairly small population of 5-7million. The same could be said about the Chinese city of Altay, with a population of 200,000, or the Hongkou disrict of Shanghai, with a population of 700,000, but if you combine all the cities in China, the EU, the Americas you start making a difference. If you allow small population areas to be exempt you soon see a lot more of these areas dividing up applying for an exemption



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A quick google says Ireland's greenhouse gas emissions are in the region of about 6 metric tonnes and the total planetary emissions are in the region of 37 billion metric tons so Ireland going carbon zero would be worth about 6/37bn or 0.000000016216216%

    All found from a quick google search



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    So we don't even amount to a drop in the bucket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Are you aware, that the US doesn't report CO2 emissions from it's Defense/Military? They are estimated to be around 180 countries combined emissions. I suspect that some of the US CO2 decreases are the result of just moving certain emissions into the Defense/Military column and therefore off balance sheet.

    If countries like the US, China and India are such huge emitters, why should the people of Ireland bother since we can't make any actual effect on global temperatures?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Depends on the size of the bucket and the drop. The exact figure is above



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Chasing carbon zero will decimate our economy. High ideals are all fine and good until it`s too late when the rubber of reality hits the road. Where do you see this Utopia of China, Asia, India the Americas etc. even Japan combining to fulfill this fantasy ?

    China are adding ever more coal burning plants and along with Japan and India at the COP beanfest in Scotland said they had no intention of harming their economies by shifting away from coal. Even the U.S. didn`t sign up.

    They are not looking for "exemption". They are going to do whatever they wish, while we are tied into green E.U. driven ideology, much of it having nothing to do with emissions just dodgy bookkeeping, where it suits the large E.U. boys and girls. You have only to look at wood burning and other biomass burning power plants to see that with it classed as being carbon neutral.

    Germany, along with Putin and his gas, have been the main drivers behind this new religion until their own wheels fell off due to Putin`s gas, but even then showed that it was nothing to do with emissions and all to do with the green religion. They choose to shut down nuclear plants that were providing 14% of their electricity carbon free while keeping and even adding coal burning plants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I am specifically talking about Ireland when I say 'we'. It would make no statistical difference to world emissions if we (Ireland) went to zero or doubled.

    I would be very interested to see this documented scientific fact that shows higher carbon emissions results in increased global temperatures.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Consume, dispose, replace, consume, dispose, replace repeat ad infinitum. What could possibly go wrong?

    The short sightedness of the majority of people in the developed world makes me sad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I am specifically talking about Ireland when I say 'we'. It would make no statistical difference to world emissions if we (Ireland) went to zero or doubled.

    As long as our emissions are already zero then yes you would be correct

    I would be very interested to see this documented scientific fact that shows higher carbon emissions results in increased global temperatures.

    I litterally just typed the last part of your message into google. Take your pick

    https://www.google.com/search?q=documented+scientific+fact+that+shows+higher+carbon+emissions+results+in+increased+global+temperatures&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE892IE892&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Chasing carbon zero will decimate our economy. High ideals are all fine and good until it`s too late when the rubber of reality hits the road.

    We cut our emissions last year by 5%, did our economy get decimated by 5%?

    It's like the smoking ban all over again. Hearing soundbites like "Pubs everywhere will be closed down" and "we are such a small nation it won't make a difference" back in 2004. Smoking bans are now in place throughout most of the world and our pubs have never been busier.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Pubs are closing left, right and centre all over Ireland. Not a good point to make.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Not because of the smoking ban though… The drink driving ban and the crazy booze price increases would be more to blame there, which are separate issues.



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