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Irish Air Hostess Allegedly Domestically Abused In Dubai

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Who told a foreogner to mind their own business? I haven't seen that anywhere.

    Each country has their own laws on abortion. I voted for it but I wouldn't want to know how anyone else voted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    The two incidents I mentioned above are not a "version" created by someone centuries later trying to subvert Islam to their own interests - they are part of the fundamental history of it, because that was Mohammed's life. You may well think it's a peaceful religion, but it's a peaceful religion that advises hitting women. As long as the stick is no thicker than a man's thumb, so that's grand. I'm sure it's perfectly peaceful if you're a man - what woman is going to argue back in that case?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    LOL we're the foreigners in case you hadn't noticed - because that's what you're doing, saying we, the Irish, are in no position to criticise the UAE because of our own history.

    Same as the other poster who says she disobeyed their laws and should take the consequences. Their laws are barbaric, and I have no problem saying so, regardless of Ireland's shameful treatment of women in the past. Or even because of a judge a month ago. That still doesn't make a legal system that systematically penalises women any less barbaric.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    You, and I, and those posters, are ALL "foreigners" in this instance. Because we're talking about Dubai. And we're perfectly entitled to criticise barbaric medieval laws in another country, regardless of our own history. Especially when an Irish woman is the victim of those laws.

    You're sounding like those English people who think everyone else is an immigrant, but that the English abroad are expats. 😁

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    we could go to the Old Testament in Christianity - but I won’t - quite simply any religion is subject to the rulers of that religion of the day, or in this case, the country. What they say, goes.

    Fck me, even Scientology who have been classed as a religion in America but not Ireland ….thank God… have a few interesting principles - I’m not here to argue about whether Islam is good bad or indifferent - my own believe is all religions have been used as a method of control plain and simple and we’re much better off without them



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭H2UMrsRobinson


    To address the fact that you think people with mental disorders rights are questionable . I find this opinion as equally unpalatable as Jeqs. Y



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    now you’re putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say - whatcha been up to since 2014 - long time no see - will this be your permanent account now! Retiring your other puppet account?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    That's a poor comparison. Ask any Muslim whether Mohammed said it was acceptable to hit your wife. And was that in Arabic or was it translated by some anonymous translator from some other language that nobody speaks any more?

    Because that's a very different level of authority than the old testament which is a collection of bits and bobs from Judaism, translated from several languages, many of no longer exist. That's why there are several versions of most of those stories. Unlike Mohammed's teachings about beating your wife. There's also a story about where he hit Aisha (the 9 year old that he raped) on the chest and bruised her, for some minor transgression. Since children are taught that Mohammed was the perfect Muslim, everything he did is above criticism. There's literally nothing similar in Christianity.

    I know next to nothing about scientology and have no idea what relevance it has here anyway, so can't reply to that. But I don't think banning religions works too well.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    No we're not. We're Irish. We're in our own country and we should make sure we are not hypocrites ourselves before we criticise others. We see miscarriages of justice here often enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    So Tori Towey can go hang then? Is that your conclusion? We can't do or say anything about her horrific treatment because Magdalene Laundries something something?

    How come you're not all over the Lucy Letby thread saying we shouldn't criticise the UK legal system because our own history bla bla?

    Or does that only apply to brown countries?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Didn't say that either. Her husband has as much to do with it as the UAE as he lied and assaulted her but spun a yarn to the authorities, But he's rarely been mentioned at all because everyone wants to blast another country for having their own laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    sorry but I really couldn’t care less and this thread is not about Islam anyway / it’s about a woman who got abused by her fcked up pr1ck partner and the rulers of the country she lived in who pissed on her grief - do you honestly believe the rulers of the UAE abstain from pork sausages and alcohol and formication ? They’re using Islam to control their population - they’ll be off to London in the early autumn to race their super cars up and down the high street and buy up the bargains in Harrods whilst raping their assistants and getting fcked on drink and drugs - nothing to do with religion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    so let’s praise the UAE Rulers

    All together now, all hail Highness Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan- ruler of a regime that criminalises a woman beaten to a pulp by her partner

    Woopie isn’t he a hard man !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭paul71


    I am reading a report on BBC saying her passport was destroyed, interested to know by whom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Her partner I believe from other accounts in the media - stand corrected but that’s my understanding - by all accounts he’s a fcking mental case that needs locking up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Nobody said to praise them. Amazing what lads read in posts, truly amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    communication is in the interpretation - and I’m not the only one thinking differently to what you wanted us to believe so don’t give me that - you also seem to be defending every post you make - not a good sign really is it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So you're not the only one who can't read then. There.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    oh ok I admit it - I only have leaving cert English - didn’t know we needed a PhD to contribute - I sowwy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I would suggest not reading the bible....

    Seriously, so you actually believe that Muslims think it's ok to beat their wives and marry 6 year olds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,448 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I've no idea how people keep falling for it. Must be getting time for another reference to dead Gazan children again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    ah look - reporting function does fck all these days - then you get a mod rolling in in panic realising they’ve completely neglected the thread and ban everyone who as much makes a typo and leaves the troll to troll



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,807 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Nothing I said broke the rules lads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Shellfishfcuker


    Delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Victim blaming again, you're making quite a habit of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    This is incorrect, but I have explained my rationale enough times by now and it’s getting repetitive.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I would suggest not reading the bible....

    This old saw trotted out by cultural apologists? Unfortunately for same it doesn't bear much historical, theological, cultural, or even political scrutiny. While the Christian texts, very much in particular the Old Testament have plenty of odious passages to modern(and not so modern) sensibilities they're not even close to widely celebrated as a template to live one's life. If anything such "troubling" passages are and have been avoided like the plague, even among your tiny number inbred snake handling sects in the US.

    For a start and even though in practice this could vary Christianity had a state/religion separation built in from early on. "My kingdom is not of this earth" etc. In Islam the state is the faith and vice versa. It's a lot harder to separate them and stay within the tenets of the faith and as we've seen particularly in the Middle East, when push came to shove, the tendency is to revert to more fundamentalism, a return to the faith, not less. The founders and held up as ideals of both faiths could hardly be any different either. One, an itinerant preacher, the other a warlord who founded an empire on conquest and subjugation.

    Seriously, so you actually believe that Muslims think it's ok to beat their wives and marry 6 year olds?

    Depends on the culture. In Islam a woman is subservient to the men in her life in ways that would or should have card carrying feminists a twitching. This is undeniable. And though child brides are to be found in many backward cultures they're also associated with Islamic nations and the more Islamic, the more they're found. EG Saudi Arabia has no lower age range for marriage.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭paul71


    I have read the ridiculous comments comparing Irish suicide law to those in UAE, so firstly I will state the obvious difference between Ireland in 1992 and UAE today.

    Ireland had a legacy Common law in 1992 making suicide or attempted suicide a criminal act. The last prosecution was in the early 1960s against a person who committed suicide, I have found no prosecutions of a survivor in the 20th century.

    So Ireland had a bad 16th century legacy law which had been ignored for 100 years and not enforced.

    UEA on the other hand repealed their suicide laws a decade ago, but in practice just charged someone under a law that now no longer exists.

    Anyone failing to see the difference is ignoring the nose on their face.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,164 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    UEA on the other hand repealed their suicide laws a decade ago, but in practice just charged someone under a law that now no longer exists.

    I don't think it is actually a crime. They have a mechanism to "help" people who attempt suicide by giving a judge the power to send them to a mental home for up to 6 months. Or what they call a "healing facility".

    The charges were always going to be dropped even if done it very quick time in this instance.

    They only got married in March and were charged with mutual assault in May. They reconciled and withdrew the charges against each other.

    Sounds like a classic horrible violent marriage with alcohol a factor, hardly a unique situation but always sad.

    Hopefully she gets home soon and her family convince her not to reconcile again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    LOL that's some stretch there! Drinking alcohol is explicitly banned, yet lots of Muslims do it, so no, I don't think that all Muslims do everything it says in the Quran.

    I made a different point. Maybe try reading other posts instead of projecting your imagination on them?

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Will the piece of $hit husband be in trouble at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I thought alcohol was decriminalised in Dubai a few years ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,322 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Hopefully the publicity this case is getting will dissuade other young Irish men and women from migrating to Dubai to benefit from slavery and oppression via low taxation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    like to think so but probably not…

    did she make it out of dubai yet? hope so…


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    Wouldn't be surprised if tourist concessions get reported as general legalisation.

    The whole point of the likes of Dubai paying for influencers is to present a superficial appearance of western norms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    So when I say you have read it wrong, you think you know better than I do what I wrote?

    Okaaay.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,900 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I was talking about what it says in the Quran, not what Dubai legislation says about it.

    AFAIAA alcohol is allowed in certain places in Dubai, and is tolerated more generally eg in private homes, for foreigners at least (and wealthy Dubai citizens of course), but its ambiguous status is also used as a way to keep bothersome foreigners quiet, because they are often technically breaking the law on alcohol, so that is a weapon that can always be used against them if they ever try to complain about other issues.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence against Women & Girls:"Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    Well it depends - An Indian Woman (who was Hindu) called out that Prophet Muhammed was a pedo as

    it states in Islamic texts that Muhammed raped a 9 year old girl. Nothing made up.

    What followed was many Muslim groups calling here to be killed and stoned (India is a Hindu Country btw not Muslim). Many muslim leaders were paying large sums of money to anyone who could cause great harm to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    She's on her way home to roscommon they say...... Has the poor woman not suffered enough....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    Delighted for her. As I mentioned in an earlier post I had a friend escape from Saudi Arabia back in the 90s. I guess another generation has to learn that under the superficial appearances lies a medieval polity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,271 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Interesting, yet you have condemned Israel elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga



    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?

    "You are him…the one they call the "Baba Yaga"…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭Augme


    Fantastic news. You'd wonder how long she'd haveto wait to get home if it wasn't for MLD raising the issue in the Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Yes, but weren't the couple in a restaurant before the attack?

    Anyway, I just read she is home. Very happy for her, that she is out of there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,569 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think her family going to the media also might have put pressure for a quicker resolution, the story was everywhere, is everywhere in the media not just in Ireland

    I hope it will deter others from going to live there and be careful when picking partners but you can never tell, love is tricky



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