Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

You can think that all you like.

But why then keep pushing for more 'hard border' approaches that clearly don't work?

That's what's making me thinking there's some pathological attachment with you lot to authoritarianism, or maybe it's the need to be outraged when these solutions don't work?

There's always someone else to blame isn't there? The Ngo's, the elites, the mainstream media, the lefties. It's the gift that keeps giving. So what if the price to pay is dead and abused kids. Not your guys problem if they're African or Middle Eastern, right?

I think should a recession hit we'll be in even bigger trouble, the skilled immigrants and Irish will leave and we'll still be left with the imported scammers.

I’m sure someone will be along shortly to tell us that those Irish are economic migrants too and that it’s ironic to complain about what’s happening when Irish people go to other places to seek a better life

I don't know what they'd be called but its a sin to loose our own educated citizens due to years of bad governmnet policy meaning they can't see a future here.

A sin?

It's government policy to allow the Irish to emigrate and leave and to replace them with foreign nationals from some of the poorest countries in the world.

Everything thereafter is about managing the process - and that involves removing the Irish identity (as happened over St. Patrick's weekend), funding privately foreign nationals (talk this week of giving landlords the same money as is given to Ukrainians if they take on any foreign immigrant with the Irish who are funding it left out), funding the NGOs to support this, funding RTE to support this before telling everyone "Sure we all live in each other's shelter".

Well they're being forced out aren't they?

Funny though, if 'Paddy' has to live with his parents he's forced to emigrate.

If 'Mohammad' has to live with his parents, in a shack, struggle to afford food and clothing, risk the real prospect of his kids dying because of lack of healthcare, he's a 'chancer'.

It's some special logic you lot work off.

Do you think a lot of our tent guests came from living in a shack?

You can post links till the cows come home, it wont change the situation we are currently facing. In fact, Id wager you do not even fully understand the scale of what the EU is facing now and over the next 10 to 20 years.

It would be almost comical if it wasn't so serious, that you talk about risks and realities but you ignore the risks and realities of doing nothing or taking a soft approach to this. You can keep banging about how hard deportations are. There is no strategy that you or anyone else can come up at either EU or an individual level that will work without massive deportations. You want to talk about division in the EU - give it another 5 years of the current situation.

Your last paragraph sums up why you are not taken seriously on here, I can only hope that you are of the younger generation with little to no life experience because god help us if they let you into a voting booth. Whats that saying? Weak men create hard times.

Irish parents are also facing the real prospect of children dying because of lack of healthcare. And some Irish parents have also faced that recently. Healthcare that could really use the billions that is being spent on trying to fix the problems of the world

And just when I thought you couldn't get more fanatical. No wait, seriously?.. you have to be on a wind up at this stage? Right?

So the same people who are championing people turning up here with false or no documentation are now blaming us for

A. Not having direct flights to every 3rd world country in the world

B. Not allowing these people to travel on international flights without appropriate documentation and visas

Resulting in "refugees" travelling 10,000's of KM through multiple safe countries, while paying 10,000's to smugglers to take a boat into the Mediterranean.

Ah yes, all our fault, what a horrible little country we are

I take it so you are not going to explain to all of us apparent knuckledraggers how all this actually works if we cant deport anyone? I think this is most likely the main factor you either do not get or choose to ignore.

If we cant "build walls" as you repeatedly keep saying, and we cant send anyone back….. then there is literally no point to any of it.

Great man for posting links, but do you actually understand the reality of what you are arguing for?

Stop hiding from your claims.

You're the one telling us 'massive deportations' are the answer. Please explain how they'll work.

I've shown the approach I think we need to take, and backed it up by it also being the required approach from the EU commissioner on International Partnerships. Your turn, tough guy.

What claim have i hidden, though? You are charging off half cocked , again it seems.

My response was to your repeated insistence that we cannot deport anyone, because it is hard or countries have struggled with numbers. Then you ask a question that has already been answered at least twice 3 or 400 pages back.

The "claim" I made was that "there is no strategy that you or anyone else can come up at either EU or an individual level that will work without massive deportations". Returning to your previous hyperbole we cannot "build a wall" so that leaves us with deportation.

If you have 100 people claim asylum, 10 are granted but you can only currently deport 5 of the other 90 and the other 85 get to stay what is the point in the system? Eventually those 85 get into the same position as the original 10 actually granted asylum. It is completely not fit for purpose. There is no deterrent, resulting in the system as it currently is being completely over run.

So I will reiterate my previous comment, I would be very surprised if you fully understand what it is you are actually arguing for.

So, you still got nothin, other that these desperate claims that 'something has to be done'. I'd have expected more from a tough guy like yourself.

The only suggestion I recall on this thread on how to actually ensure deportations are successful was to give rejected asylum seekers a parachute and push them from a plane.

But maybe refresh my memory. What was this amazing solution posted twice 3 or 400 pages back?

If it's that good you'll have no problem remembering it or sharing I'm sure.