Aer Lingus Flight Crew Industrial relations thread 2024

They did add a year the % pay rise to get a higher headline figure. But at least the pilots know they are going to get that instead of going back to more negotiations in that time period. Also the crewing agreement resulted in accumulating debt for pilots presumably to be offset against future pay deals. I think the LC concluded that this agreement was a bit of a bodge job so better to scrap it and start again. Again this gives more certainty to the pilots because it may not have been clear how that debt evolved over time.

True but if the pilots reject a deal that their union recommend they accept then it's a real mess and going to make IALPA look like idiots - they were mis-aligned with their members when recommending the accepting of the deal and then couldn't sell the deal to their members. The problem then is internal within IALPA.

EDIT: I should say as an Aer Lingus customer I hope and expect they will accept and move on.

Very true, hopefully emotions can be kept in check and they discuss all the aspects of the deal in their meetings and calls in the next week. 🤞

Because its the busiest period of the year, flights were planned on the basis of a flexible workforce, which will take time to come back into action, and until the ballots are known I'd not plan for a full service. Better to know its not going to take off and take a chance and turn up at the airport and be very disappointed

Nothing a quick flash sale in August won’t fix

If you look above, I wrote comparing the 13.75% va the 12.25% - the balance of 4% is for 2025/2026 which wasn’t part of the original claim (2019-24). No doubt EI will be happy as it does not give the other unions a basis for a strike.

I’ll have to take your word for it but that hasn’t been reported in the media. It is certainly more than Forsa, (the union to which IALPA is affliated) has got for its members. And that deal covers until July 2026.

Most affiliate unions have returned ballots of their members with sizable majorities in favour of the new pay agreement, paving the way for pay improvements worth 9.25% – with a further 1% available for local bargaining – for public sector workers.

https://www.forsa.ie/public-sector-pay-deal-ratified-by-unions/

Nice 25% off Sale, some really cheap fares for August/September.

Q3 results will be terrible. I was only checking earlier this week and fares were cheap. Now they have winter type offers in August!

Some great deals as mentioned. Can travel on the 330 return to FAO in August for EUR130 return. Not to be sniffed at.

Well publicised? Let me ask you again -where does it say only 1.5% extra? (your claim, that we are discussing)

Here is a fact we now know thanks to RTÉ - did pilots made no productivity concessions for this deal.

Very inappropriate to mention public sector pay deals? IALPA are in a public sector union

It's not true that pilots made no productivity concessions. It's being spun that way but the fact is they are foregoing the Crewing Agreement which will leave them with less summer leave, longer duty days on the 320 fleet and less time off between duties on the 330 fleet during the summer. If that's not a productivity concession, what is?

Sorry missed this - is someone saying thats not a productivity concession ?

As Tenger has pointed out, there is no cap on hours, apart from legal limits, for pilots at Aer Lingus. Many on the 320 fleet, most I would say (provided they are not part-time), are hitting 800 - 850 hrs annually.

The 330 is a different beast and the hours are not as high. Some of that is down to the nature of TA work and how much downtime is required between trips, nut some of it is down to under utilisation of the fleet in the Winter.

A point worth making again is that the 900hr limit is exactly that - a limit. It's not a target. It's there because people have died at the hands of over worked pilots in the past.

Another factor to consider is that Aer Lingus has demonstrated unequivocally during the work to rule that is under resourced in the flight deck. If they're rostering people right up to the weekly/monthly/annual limit - who's going to pick up the slack when that pilot picks up a delay and has to drop a duty because he's run out of hours? All well and good when you have the coverage, but do Aer Lingus?

My pal is a FO on a widebody there. Hits 850+ hours every year since he started with them. It does help that they have a much stronger year round service compared to EI. It isn't a target but IAG is a business and wants to get the most from its assets to be able to compete.

I 100% agree that they are under resourced in EI. The work to rule demonstrated that very clearly.