Getting out of electric

What was the specific dislike for on the road charging? Seems a petty enough reason on the face of it for taking a massive hit in the wallet.

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I'm guessing the EQB stayed in the office and the ID4 did the site visits. Was it an 82kWh ID4 I wonder?

To me, "oversold" means under researched. The ID4 (with the 82kWh battery) would have been perfectly adequate for the job imo. The only problem is the charge speed on DC charging. And then you'd wonder was he charging at too high a SoC (range anxiety) and getting even slower speeds.

Same goes for the EQB I think. Max of 100kW? And a small enough battery for a big enough beast.

I think the research part is probably where people fall down when buying EVs. You do have to spend a bit more time on it than with an ICE. To be fair, sales people are pretty piss poor about the detail with EVs too. But it's down to the buyer to make an informed choice.

I actually think the EQB is a bit of a dog. Very average in every respect except the interior which is quite nice. Screens seem small and fiddly though and it's just a 4 seater which might not suit everyone.

As for the bitterness about depreciation, well that wouldn't have happened if they didn't throw the toys out of the pram.

This did occur to me too. A lot of sh1te talk around EVs and if you've just bought on the basis of brand and no other research, you won't be able to refute the nonsense. So instead of having your nice new brandmobile admired, you're having it slagged. "Something, something, charging network" is a get out of EV card that doesn't reflect on you or your choices.

Oh and throw in "oversold" for good measure.

To be controversial, lads like him are the reason the choice of having a diesel needs to be taken away.

The typical Irish new car buyer is an idiot with no thought put into what they actually need.

I think they are correct, or at least I would guess it's a factor. I get the same thing occasionally and I have the facts to shut down the fud or whatever it is that's thrown at me. And I've had it all, exploding batteries, dead batteries, no chargers, fires, the lot. But if you don't have the answers and a thin skin, maybe it's too much for some.

Whatever the reasons, can we just take a moment to appreciate the sacrifice these two gents have made so that two more EV bargains can hit the marketplace.

Jesus, glad yer nowhere hopefully near those who steer our country!

Why?

I'd honestly love to see how many people that bought one post the 08 tax change actually needed them. We all know very few.

And it's only gotten smaller since petrol efficiency has almost caught up, along with better EVs on the market.

Almost no one "needs" a diesel now. Sooner they're gone the better.

Air quality is more important than the feelings of luddites.

Its not a perfect world for ev either. True story from today.

Car at 60% charge. Summer time decision on day off to go and visit relatives, 270km away. So either 3-4 hours charging at home, or go out to local 50kw for 30 minutes, or stop en route for 30 minutes. Like it's not ideal with kids. Where's the spontanaeity?

And before anyone starts with the " sure you'd have to stop for 30 minutes on a journey like that". No you don't , it's 2.5 hours, perfectly doable in one blast. The older petrol car was like the car from top gear, following me around..

With high powered chargers and preconditioning you should get enough in in around the same time to fill up with fuel and pay. But I know they aren’t as plentiful as they could be.

Maybe it’s as simple as they didn’t like them. A 2017 Astra only lasted 9 months in our house from new as we couldn’t get on with it.

From my experience and a sample size of about 12 people with EVs, there's nobody moving back to ICE once they've taken the plunge.

Obviously your sample is different to mine but I'd imagine overall, the vast majority are staying EV.

I think the comment about what electricity plan he's on is a factor we often overlook. People on here are probably maximising the savings of the EV by changing to rates that suit us best etc, but there are probably loads of people who don't even change energy provider when their intro rate runs out, never mind finding the best one for their EV.

An EV is probably still marginally cheaper if your on a crappy 24hour energy plan but nothing like the €1-2k savings a year some of us are getting.

And then there is a bit of research required for what public charger best suits the journey. Not a big deal if you use ABRP, but if you don't know that ABRP exists, how do you find that out? Somewhere like here has been useful to find these things out too, we've used the apple green near the airport on someones recommendation from boards and it works out great, but without reading that we'd probably would have been chancing the ESB charger in circle K/Mcdonalds

I really like our EV, we'll never go back to two ICE cars, might even switch to a second EV, but I know for sure it wont suit some people. If I handed my Dad the keys to any EV in the morning, even install a charger for him and basically said "figure this out", I'm not sure he'd be downloading ABRP or swapping to EV rates. In this hypothetical it wouldn't surprise me if he went back to ICE.

The OP's acquaintances mirror the situation in the US. A recent McKinsey survey indicated 46% of EV owners may switch back to Petrol ICE.

the vast majority of current EVs could do the first leg of that trip with plenty to spare. Plug in the granny charger at destination for a few hours and you’re sorted.

See this is the FUD. And unfortunately it comes from within as well as ev-haters. I mentioned 50 KW charger because that is the only DC within 15 minutes of my house. If there was a higher power 10 minutes away it would be moot, as battery would still be cold. So quick top-up before journey still not easy.

There are 2 fuel stations with 5 minutes of my home. Total of what, 18 pumps? And fill up would take max 5 minutes. How much will you get from a 300kw DC in 5 minutes after a 5 minute drive?

And also I said 60% starting out. And 270km. Please stop mis-quoting to serve a point. Find me an ICE that won't do 270km on 60% full? Using a granny charger adds 2% an hour as well. It is a last chance option, not a useable one.

I own an EV. I will probably keep it, or buy another if I haven't been too burned by market. But guys to say that people who are financially able to take the hit and move back to ICE are wrong is blinkered. Until there are DC chargers in similar abundance as petrol pumps, or even half that number. Then EV has a lot of challenges.

I take your point. But am curious as to why you would need to top up so close to home? You get the best charging speeds when your battery is below 30%, so without knowing what car you have or its battery capacity, I can only use charger rates to estimate how long you would need to stop to get the rest of the way. A 150kW charger would give you 25kWh in about 10 minutes. That's almost half of a 60kWh battery and a third of 75kWh. And your battery would be well warm enough to get that speed (assuming the car is capable of it).

Edit: I see you say it would take half an hour to charge up on a 50kW charger, so 25kWh is accurate for a top up on the road.

Was that not 16 years ago and before dieselgate? Lots of things changed in that time. Not least the realisation that diesel is not as clean as it was made out to be.

It was 16 years ago when it started not when it ended. Did it in fact end yet? I'm still paying a pittance in road tax compared to the perfectly good petrol car I sold for half nothing 'cos it was about €1200 to tax.