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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,364 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I've wondered for a while now, is he even aware of what duties and responsibilities his department oversees.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The clown seemed to forget that taking over the party would lead to him having to give interviews. He can't hide in that role.

    He also has a remarkable ability to answer every question about matters in his Department as if he's some sort of powerless bystander, he's the Minister ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Does a lot of mad **** lately stem from the greens or is it just me or is it what other parties want you to think. Not just this topic of discussion. Any time i see the heads of that party on the box. I just think weirdos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The green party have little interest in environmental issues anymore. They seem to be a party mostly aimed at posh posers now, not sure why they get so many votes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,504 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    They seem to fact check nothing on RTÉ when it suits, was the people smuggler running the "Ryanair Of People Smugglers" taking the price of a night out as payment 🤔. I priced flights from Somalia to Istanbul and onwards to Ireland, would have been circa €1500 for 2 people off peak, then at least €750 back for the accompanier. The $4k he said he spent and access to a passport doesn't add up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    So basically the Irish homeless will be given what the immigrants don't want……



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    I did answer the question and have answered it previously more than once. Why? Because you keep asking the same questions over and over and over. Which i assume at this point is just some sort of deflection mechanism.

    What exactly would you consider it? Flying 10'000's of people here from all over the globe?

    What do we do with 99% do not get asylum? Fly them back? I bet you will have issues with that as well, with us being the horrible little country that we are.

    Its abundantly clear at this point you are incapable of any sort of coherent thought. You need to think logically not emotionally. Will serve you better in the long run.

    Choose not to require visas? Do actually read the stuff you post? Utter fantasy world you live in.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,648 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The Green party went into this government with a lot of stuff they wanted to do whether it was unpopular or not and they knew going in that they may only have this one chance so they are ramming stuff through and don't really give a sh1t about voters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,327 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They were exactly the same before when they were in and booted out .

    But they were forgiven and voted back in the last time .

    They don't care about bread and butter issues and never mind O'Gorman the rest of the party are the same.

    There isn't one of them who has done a good job this government

    Hopefully voters will finally see this and vote for people who can do the necessary mundane jobs of government as well as being considerate of green issues. The two are no longer mutually exclusive .

    They will say they are being "punished by the electorate " for being the smallest party in government ..

    More like the most incompetent



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    I laughed when Ryan spouted off about having a mandate from the people the Ireland as he latched on to the FF/FG coat tails.

    3% of the vote, mainly from champagne socialists in Dublin and completely irrelevant to the rest of the country, But we all have to suffer their nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think you nailed that aspect alright. O'Gorman has been able to fade into the background over the past year or so when awkward questions have arisen about his integration policies or referendums etc. Let others take the flack, but now that he's achieved what he wanted as leader, he has to be out front more. I wonder will he look for a change/ swap of department? Say it's all too much, being leader and also dealing with his expanding brief?

    I've never met the man but he has the hallmarks of a controlling personality. Many commentators and other politicians have said that his ministerial responsibilities are too large, too challenging for reasons connected with world events. O'Gorman complains from time to time then that other departments are not stepping up and helping him with accommodation proposals. But then the man refused to cede any power or control over these matters.

    Which is all very well but doing a half arsed job is just that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    That primetime interview - It's RTE so they were never going to put the boot in and ask the hard q's like 'Why are we letting these chancers in, in the first place?' - It's just never going to happen

    It did show the gobsh!te up on national TV for the fool he is though and that hasn't happened before. All previous interviews were held on a bed of cotton wool and he thought he was in for more of that. When it didn't happen, he was visibly rattled. It wasn't the toughest interview, but it was the toughest he's had so far - Bearing in mind that if Sarah wanted to/had been let, she'd have left him in a gibbering heap sobbing for his ma

    He has never been on in a live debate with the likes of McNamara, Mc Dowell, Tobin etc or anyone else that may have exposed his progressive policies as a crock…

    3.5 years of - 'We invited minister O'Gorman to take part in the debate but he was unavailable' - How was he let away with that for so long?



  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Juran


    "Japan granted refugee status to record 303 asylum-seekers in 2023" ... Japan Times News

    I've visited Japan, i needed a passport and visa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,648 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    O'Gorman has happily sat back and let FG, through hopeless McEntee in Justince, mainly take all the flak for what are Green policies. I am surprised FG didn't get McEntee out of Justice and put a more Senior person in there who could push back on O'Gorman. The one thing that has surprised me is FF and FG just letting the Greens do this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,327 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yeah .

    I am a cyclist when I can .

    The fxxxkin state of Fairview into town even at this stage !

    And there are roads that never needed cycle lanes ever being chopped up and ruined for every other user .

    It'll all end up in the bin once they are gone or we will suffer on until some loolaas vote them in again .



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Roderic O'Gorman is making an utter sh!te of accommodating Ukrainians.

    He has been closing centres in Clare where they were settled, had integrated and had jobs and were in school. Those people are being taken from areas where they could easily be accommodated to Lisdoonvarna, where the concentration is far too high. It is bad for the Ukrainians, many of whom are severely traumatised children, it is bad for the areas where they had integrated successfully, and it is bad for Lisdoonvarna, which has been asked to do way, way more than its fair share.

    It is a complete disgrace, illogical and very damaging for children who have been through an awful lot already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    And if they were as lax as we are more would go. It’s as simple as that



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    It was suggested before that McEntee is still there as Harris wouldn’t want to be seen to give in to the far right



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Telling us what exactly???

    I've never known Japan to be a preferred destination for IPAs or many migrant people in general, visa or otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Well there's the gotcha of all gotchas!

    I said people should be allowed used ferries where available, just as I now say they should be allowed use airlines. We can process their applications when they get here safely, while in the meantime tackling why so many people are forced to leave in the first place.

    Four people travelling from France, and their families, would be in a very different position today if this was the case.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn08685l2q8o

    How long more will we keep outsourcing our deterrent policies to criminal gangs putting people on dinghies. It's barbaric. Plus of course extremely ineffective. Why do people who are supposedly anti-immigration keep pushing these failed solutions. Europe wise we're 20 years and hundreds of billions behind where we could be at getting to the root of the problem.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    So still pretending to have described what you want to do, without telling us what it is?

    Hardly a tough guy move, tough guy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That argument is either for the birds or just stirring sh*te up. Maybe both.

    It is fundamentally ridiculous to suggest that illegal migration should be made easier.

    It's very simple, if we wish to see less mishaps at sea - then reduce the pull factor. Make it very clear that the consequences are immediate with summary deportation back to country/ place of embarkation.

    I might also suggest that your continued use of this 'tragic drownings' argument falls on deaf ears. There is no doubt that most humans would be distressed at dealing with drowned people in the flesh. But when it's used as propaganda, we can all see the simplistic attempt to manipulate from a mile off and ignore it. It's meaningless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Right but do you think there might be a reason for that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,327 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'm no expert but I'd wager the fact they speak Japanese is right up there.

    After that I'd say it's the non-western culture, quite homogenous society and a popular reputation for being wary of outsiders.

    But if you really want to know why asylum seekers might not consider going to Japan, I'd suggest get to know a few of them and ask for yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    But Italians speak Italian, Germans speak German, that isn’t deterring AS from going to those places. If the pull factors that exist here were the same in Japan they would be going there in high numbers too



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭jackboy


    They are intentionally targeting Ukranians because they want them out of the country to make room for asylum seekers from other countries.

    There is no longer any plaudits from the EU for helping Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Where will they stay whilst we process ? You do realise that there's no solution in that nonsense ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Why is there never a question asked of someone who says "I fled with nothing but the shirt on my back" - when that shirt is Balenciaga as are the runners, and I'm fairly sure a people trafficker doesn't charge less than 10k.

    Chancers.



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