New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

I often find that when people write "The latest plan should have been the subject of a much wider consultation process" they actually mean "I hadn't heard about this plan, but it's a no from me". But of course this is just "pro-ban rhetoric".

I think the public opinion is fairly concrete in favour of the plan. So when the watered down version happens we can probably see to some protest days to block cars off at Jervis st/ormond Quay until the proper plan is implemented.

That's how SWS got a small stretch of pedestrianisation.

What you're actually asking for is a time machine...

Public transport isn't ideal. But we've come a long way. Giving back capacity (priority) to private transport is trying to turn back the clock. The solution to traffic can never be more traffic.

Yeap, there's no going back to having a free reign for cars through the city centre, I'm not sure if many of the objectors are old enough to remember traffic congestion in the 1980's and the thick smell of lead petrol and diesel fumes in the air that would choke you.

Dublin as bad as it is now was much worse in terms of all the lorries and cars going through the city, and the old Diesel belching ships that used to come up the quays as far as Matt Talbot bridge, not to mention the trains.. If it wasn't for the Luas, Dart, Dublin port tunnel things would be much worse.. Now we have a chance to clean up more of the city centre if only the big companies would stop obstructing it all. I'm sure they could sell off the car parks as apartments.

Very insightful comments. Was obvious to people back then what the issues (and solutions) are.

Interesting that the get up earlier doesn't really work anymore. Though obviously staggered working times helps.

Why are they more important than the rest of us?

You need to check yourself and be grateful that you do not have to live with a disability that robs your of your mobility and limits you physically, and I genuinely hope you never have to find out what that's like. It would come as a terrible shock to you.

I have to say I find the attitudes and the vitriol towards the disabled groups on this thread disgusting. Ableism at its best.

Where are you getting that from re: Grafton Street.

As long as there is a disabled bay - a disabled driver or passenger (blue badge holder) can park in it for as long as they like. The blue badge holder can also park in any parking bay disabled or not.

But the curtesy is not to park in a disabled bay if possible as some disabled drivers require the larger space as wheelchair users. Whereas the disabled driver who is ambulatory without a wheelchair needs less space. Also the curtesy is not to park in the bays for a prolonged period (if possible) even if you are entitled to.

Disabled drivers (blue badge holders) are currently not entitled to drive down bus lanes as per the rules for all other drivers.

Anyone that has a blue badge has to renew it every two years, if it expires it is technically no longer valid for use.

I assume the problem with the bus gate is that there is a fair bit of disabled parking bays along the quays etc, which would become inaccessible for blue badge holders, because of the bus gates.

It is not really a question of being unwilling to change. The disabled bays by their very nature are a method of providing accessibility, and ease of accessibility to areas of the city. A disabled bay just 2km away from where a person wants to go might be too far for an individual in question, for example. Rendering it pointless.

Below is a map of the DCC parking spaces in Dublin -

https://data.smartdublin.ie/dataset/accessible-parking-spaces-dcc/resource/efb5d349-8640-42f5-8496-d29cc718ed6d?inner_span=True

Around the area at issue there is particular high demand, and in general there have been many former disabled parking bays that have been lost to the bicycle scheme that would have been there in the past.

Obviously disabled parking has to be near be central amenities, shopping etc, for those working and for ease of access in the city centre. Think of it like a "Shannon stop over" a point from where person can "disembark" for easy access to an area.

The problem is a lot of disabled parking is unevenly spread throughout the city. There are some parts such as near Dublin City Council/Fishamble street where there are a lot of disabled parking bays, and others where there might be a single bay (Abbey Street Lower) or others that you have to know is there as it is hidden away down some more obscure side street.

Then you have practical issues such as is the bay on flat ground, is it on a hill etc? For those who use Wheelchairs.

As I said in my previous post if a blue badge holder is able to they can park anywhere with the blue badge whether it is a disabled bay or not. However, invariably it is likely that the disabled bays are only available, if at all.

Did you look at that map? I did which is why I asked the question. There almost no blue badge parking on that route. A handful, very much not a "fair bit" and certainly the nearest alternatives are not 2km away.

I also ask because in my entire life I don't think I've parked on the quays more than a handful times. Any of the places I would have parked for are long gone or have an alternative around the corner.

Question I have does someone with a wheelchair badge in a car get priority over someone with a wheelchair badge who took the bus.

It's starting to look like a sit in protest blocking the left turn on onto OCS is the only solution, since Shakespear is determined to do a solo run on this, it'll have to be met with people power. Sad that this has to be done.

Based on the noises he has made, it appears he's a cronie, the quality of the report is irrelevant. We'll need Dublin cycling campaign / commuter coalition to go into the trenches over this.

If they want to live in unwalkable sh1tholes with no centre, I'm cool with it. The centre of Tallaght needs that SDCC money anyway.

I don't go into the city centre because of accessibility issues. It takes too long in a car and it takes too long in a bus. The only solution I can see is that cars are restricted from going through the city centre and people like me can regain the city centre on public transport.

It's all true and ideologues will never engage with fact so your response is absolutely no surprise.

The concerns of these businesses is entirely justified.

Assistant professor doesn't think the new "analysis" is too great.

"If this analysis were submitted as an undergraduate dissertation to the university I teach in, I would fail it. It shouldn’t have any role in informing the debate around the Dublin City Transport Plan."