Getting out of electric

There's 3 types of lies, lies, dammed lies and stastics.

In the U.S., he said, that included about 4,000 respondents. In other words, only 1,840 people actually said they're likely to give up electric driving next time. That's a relative drop in the bucket, considering that about 1.4 million new EVs were registered in the U.S. in 2023 alone and many of those owners could be very happy with their purchases.

https://insideevs.com/news/726008/mckinsey-study-half-ev-buyers/

I get why in different contries they might never be suitable for a lot of drivers but on an island like ours it's a no brainer if you buy the one that will suit you in all circumstnaces.

I don't know what car you have, but you mention 50kWh battery, so I will assume around 400km range.

Elsewhere on this forum he seems to indicate he has a Toyota BZ4X. Which has 64kWh usable? In any event it's relatively easy to work out that the 30 minutes on the 50kW charger is close enough to 40% charge, so total would be around 60kWh+.

400km range would perhaps be be the very outside with (assumed) motorway driving for some of it, so I'd say somewhere between 330 and 360.

The BZ4X has a pretty dismal charging curve. Might get 150kW from 10% to 30% and after that it just drops off a cliff. But that would mean (as you point out) the best time to stick it on charge would be maybe 200+km down the road and splash and dash up to 40% in 10 or so minutes. Makes no sense to charge immediately. At 60% SoC, it would max out at about 65kW.

The guy with the EQB from the original post who manages work sites outside Dublin is a soccer coach?

Nobody made you do anything.

The government incentivezed low Co2 cars, not diesels.

There were petrol cars paying a pittance in tax also. A lexus RX went from the top CC rate down to something like €200. An extreme example I know but there were plenty of smaller hybrids paying feck all, even petrol passats seen a drop in tax cost.

But no, Mary next door got a diesel so that was that.

its amazing how EV’s owners on boards are so loyal to EV’s and not willing to entertain other points of view, continually coming back to their own situation, which generally seems to be doing a commute and almost nothing else. The idea of driving across the country to look at something in a field and drive home again same day seems to be an alien concept. Also they can’t appreciate that not everybody has the luxury of charging at home on a super cheap rate, or have a huge investment made in solar etc.

For example Croke Park over last and this weekend might see 250,000 travel the country to watch a 90 min game. Parking is hard enough without having to find a spot to park and charge. Yes people might stop on the way but that doesn’t mean they will be stopping where there is a free high speed charger.I’m driving up and down from Kerry with thousands other tomorrow and sorry but it’s great to have to not worry about fueling up.

The McKinsey survey is the largest of its RS kind globally with a sample of 30,000 respondents, not six lads from one office with free charging paid by the company. 30% of EV owners globally said they would change back to ICE, 50% in the U.S.

https://www.teslarati.com/mckinsey-survey-46-percent-us-ev-owners-switch-back-ice/amp/

Irish people are saying something similar , hence sales are down by 25% here - while the market is rising. It’s no surprise to me to see petrol drivers changing back to diesel, or EV drivers going back to petrol, but it’s odd that EV owners seem to be offended by the idea that somebody else might have a different experience to theirs and decide to go back to ICE.

EV’s are amazing, can be super low cost to run, provide unreal acceleration and the styling especially on the stuff coming from China can be class, but they are not for everybody, get over it folks!

Well,Oh made the change to Ev,currently doing 2-300km urban driving per week.Should save a few bob.

There certainly are scenarios where I'd buy a petrol or diesel.. But that's not what being posted..

A Lexus RX was never €200 to tax. It went from €1800 to €1200.

They really did make a balls out of it when it came to overhauling the motor tax rates and incentivising diesel. I just refused to be a part of it and never bought a diesel car. It was next to impossible to find a normal petrol car. Seeing the likes of a Toyota Yaris, or Mini Cooper diesel was ridiculous. 3 and 5 series BMWs which once had lovely petrol engines suddenly filled our roads with dirty diesel variants. The only diesels I found myself driving was when I had to rent cars on holidays. I stuck with older petrol cars pre-2008 and paid the higher tax. I figured it was cheaper than twice yearly DPF cleans, as my mileage was small and I didn't fancy doing a long run once a week just to burn off some soot.

I don't see EV as being the same though. Yes, the gov are encouraging it, but for me, the climate benefits are are local. EVs don't pollute the local air, even if they charge from a dirty grid. The next bit is cost of running. For a few years, I was charging my Leaf 80% of the time in Dublin City for free. Otherwise it was on cheap night rate electric and still is.

I'm not interested in the wider argument about carbon footprints anymore. It's a never ending circle jerk. My selfish interest is what driving an EV does for me. I don't want to know about mining and kids working the mines. If people really gave a shíte about that stuff, they wouldn't be wearing child labour runners that cost €200+ a pop. Why do I drive EV? Low running costs. Comfortable and fun to drive. Essentially no maintenance outside of rubber.

Your last sentence intrigues me the most. Out of all our contemporaries in northern Europe we're the only ones where sales of EV's are declining. What is going on?

With the new EU emissions law your two colleagues are likely to get badly burnt again in 3 or 4 years time when they come to trade their vehicles in.

Did something similar kept my old petrols, until for various reasons I switched one to a diesel which had so many issues, I switched it to a EV.

Nobody is offended by anyone going back to an ICE vehicle

Yet someone here called the two people referenced in the OP as "morons".

the company owner got the Etron? Give the last two guys the Audi and I am sure they will switch.