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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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    #392
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The Climate and Health Alliance have written to Mr Shakespeare of their opposition to any move away from the Dublin Transportation Plan…

    https://twitter.com/ClimHealthIre/status/1811725322552738140

    Their membership includes:

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    #393
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372484#Comment_122372484

    Are they advocating for the implementation of the original scheme or the revised proposals to accommodate blue badge holders? I feel the latter proposal is a given at this stage.



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    #394
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A lot of people seem to be missing a fundamental point here and it comes down to planning over decades but in particular the last 20 years.

    What have they done in the last decade to the city center?

    They've stuffed in as much social housing, addiction centers and homeless hostels as they can in to the area particularly D1. The results everyone sees everyday.

    This has a serious impact on the very businesses complaining most about this (particularly more upmarket) because what they will correctly say is that a lot of their customers are never going to use public transport.

    Not only have they ghettoised the city center with drug abuse, begging and anti-social behaviour which businesses endure daily - they now want to take away their customers.

    If you take away cars it leaves these businesses hopelessly reliant on a small catchment population where income can't support them by design of planning.

    The problems are unfortunately very fundamental.

    This traffic plan is just another victim of the appalling neglect of the city center and that is why it can not go ahead.

    If they treated the city center with respect and stopped making it the dumping ground for all social ills this could go ahead no problem.

    That's not where Dublin City Center is. Everyone knows it.



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    #395
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,897 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372843#Comment_122372843

    I don't go into the city centre because of accessibility issues. It takes too long in a car and it takes too long in a bus. The only solution I can see is that cars are restricted from going through the city centre and people like me can regain the city centre on public transport.



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    #396
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372843#Comment_122372843

    This is an insane rambling post, and truly insane thought processes to create it. It's so insane I can't even constructively respond to it, because there's nothing sensible in it to attach a point to.



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    #397
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122373189#Comment_122373189

    It's all true and ideologues will never engage with fact so your response is absolutely no surprise.

    The concerns of these businesses is entirely justified.



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    #398
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If you take away cars it leaves these businesses hopelessly reliant on a small catchment population where income can't support them by design of planning.

    This is hilariously and hysterically wrong on so many levels.

    They're trying to take away cars transiting the city whose occupants aren't spending diddly on anything. And neither the majority of shoppers or the majority of retail spend are drivers.

    The concerns of these "businesses" are mostly related to their car parks. The project is supported by far more actual city centre businesses.



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    #399
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭Polar101


    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/dublin-city-transport-plan-barra-roantree-6434736-Jul2024/

    Assistant professor doesn't think the new "analysis" is too great.

    "If this analysis were submitted as an undergraduate dissertation to the university I teach in, I would fail it. It shouldn’t have any role in informing the debate around the Dublin City Transport Plan."



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    #400
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    No, the concerns are not justified.

    If they were their "expert" report wouldn't be full of holes and your post wouldn't be so non-factual.

    Sustainable transport already accounts for the majority of shoppers and the plan targets through traffic while still allowing access to the car parks. So, nobody is talking car users or the majority of customers away

    Furthermore it's daft to suggest the city centre or even D1 is just social housing. In the city centre overall the problem is the opposite of that you claim -- too much of the new housing is at the higher end and unfordable to most.



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    #401
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Gotta love this plan!!

    Edit: how do you embed a tweet?!!..

    https://x.com/aaroadwash/status/1811858842764075133?s=19



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    #402
    The Mathematician
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭The Mathematician


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122372911#Comment_122372911

    This is a very important point. There are many people in this position, and it is why business would benefit if the bus gate is introduced.



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    #403
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122373614#Comment_122373614

    "the analysis assumes that 65% of all traffic – car, bike and public transport – that crosses the canal between the hours of 7am and 10am does so primarily for the purposes of retail shopping."

    Is that accurate? It's so comical I have trouble believing they'd have submitted something so insane.



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    #404
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374554#Comment_122374554

    Jeeze you know it's bad when the AA, literally the motoring lobby, is satirising the car parks



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    #405
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That's not the AA you think it is...



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    #406
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Ahhhh I just seen the account



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    #407
    ondafly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭ondafly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122374853#Comment_122374853

    Have a look again. Aaroadwash



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    #408
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 24,073 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122371220#Comment_122371220

    And who elected them do anything? Bunch of wasters.

    Nobody elected Shakespeare either, yes, but he has the keys to the City, and he is there to protect the economic fortunes of the City Council area, nothing else.



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    #409
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122380444#Comment_122380444

    Can I ask who exactly you are calling a waster?

    Shakespeare's role does not include "protecting the economic fortunes of the city" and if it did he'd have to put the traffic plan in place which is in Dublin's economic interests. The only benefactors of not implementing it are crooked car park owners.



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    #410
    noelfirl
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Please don't engage with Walter Mitty, it dirties the thread.



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    #411
    Disco24
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Disco24


    Another reason to justify plan going ahead. Also think how much quicker it would be for emergency services responding with less traffic.

    In fairness to Dublin Bus CEO he's vocal in support. Needs more voices - NTA, Luas operator, HSE

    https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2024/0716/1460075-pollution-mental-health/



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    #412
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I saw from a tweet by Dublin Commuters that Mannix Flynn has decided to follow the report being peddled by the car park owners and is now threatening to sue to the council to avoid job losses, etc.

    In a stark warning about the plan’s impact on employment in the city centre, the report said: ‘Many of those at work in the retail sector in the city centre are on comparably low wages and may struggle to find new work if they were to lose their jobs as a result of the Draft Plan.’

    Mannix Flynn told the MoS: ‘The first time we have had any definitive economic modelling on the fiscal consequences of this is via the Dublin City Traders report. It is, to put it mildly, a disturbing gap. The city is being shut down to suit 300 cycling glampers.’

    ‘It is another confirmation the Green Party are unfit to govern. They have hollowed out the centre and turned it into a cyclists’ desert, which even fire brigades and ambulances struggle to negotiate.’

    ‘This will be a key general election issue. This is part of a process that is destroying city centres. This is not just happening in Dublin; it’s happening in Cork and in Limerick.’

    Mr Flynn said of the report’s findings: ‘The document is very clear. Thousands of jobs will be gone. The only thing left in the centre of Dublin is the seagulls.’

    One reply to the tweet made the point that whilst he rants on about cyclists and cycle lanes, Flynn doesn't mention the benefits for public transport users who this proposal is really aimed at but then again, we shouldn't be surprised given that we're talking about Flynn here!

    https://extra.ie/2024/07/14/news/failure-no-car-dublin



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    #413
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Who votes for him and why?



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    #414
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122387110#Comment_122387110

    I'm glad to hear Mannix Flynn is in support of it. Now everyone knows that the report is bullsh*t without reading it if it's got his backing!



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