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New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭The Mathematician


    This is a very important point. There are many people in this position, and it is why business would benefit if the bus gate is introduced.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    "the analysis assumes that 65% of all traffic – car, bike and public transport – that crosses the canal between the hours of 7am and 10am does so primarily for the purposes of retail shopping."

    Is that accurate? It's so comical I have trouble believing they'd have submitted something so insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Jeeze you know it's bad when the AA, literally the motoring lobby, is satirising the car parks



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,285 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That's not the AA you think it is...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Ahhhh I just seen the account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,184 ✭✭✭ondafly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And who elected them do anything? Bunch of wasters.

    Nobody elected Shakespeare either, yes, but he has the keys to the City, and he is there to protect the economic fortunes of the City Council area, nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Can I ask who exactly you are calling a waster?

    Shakespeare's role does not include "protecting the economic fortunes of the city" and if it did he'd have to put the traffic plan in place which is in Dublin's economic interests. The only benefactors of not implementing it are crooked car park owners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    Please don't engage with Walter Mitty, it dirties the thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Disco24


    Another reason to justify plan going ahead. Also think how much quicker it would be for emergency services responding with less traffic.

    In fairness to Dublin Bus CEO he's vocal in support. Needs more voices - NTA, Luas operator, HSE

    https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2024/0716/1460075-pollution-mental-health/



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I saw from a tweet by Dublin Commuters that Mannix Flynn has decided to follow the report being peddled by the car park owners and is now threatening to sue to the council to avoid job losses, etc.

    In a stark warning about the plan’s impact on employment in the city centre, the report said: ‘Many of those at work in the retail sector in the city centre are on comparably low wages and may struggle to find new work if they were to lose their jobs as a result of the Draft Plan.’

    Mannix Flynn told the MoS: ‘The first time we have had any definitive economic modelling on the fiscal consequences of this is via the Dublin City Traders report. It is, to put it mildly, a disturbing gap. The city is being shut down to suit 300 cycling glampers.’

    ‘It is another confirmation the Green Party are unfit to govern. They have hollowed out the centre and turned it into a cyclists’ desert, which even fire brigades and ambulances struggle to negotiate.’

    ‘This will be a key general election issue. This is part of a process that is destroying city centres. This is not just happening in Dublin; it’s happening in Cork and in Limerick.’

    Mr Flynn said of the report’s findings: ‘The document is very clear. Thousands of jobs will be gone. The only thing left in the centre of Dublin is the seagulls.’

    One reply to the tweet made the point that whilst he rants on about cyclists and cycle lanes, Flynn doesn't mention the benefits for public transport users who this proposal is really aimed at but then again, we shouldn't be surprised given that we're talking about Flynn here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Who votes for him and why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I'm glad to hear Mannix Flynn is in support of it. Now everyone knows that the report is bullsh*t without reading it if it's got his backing!



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Yay! Bus gates starting August 25th. 7am to 7pm unfortunately, but it's a MASSIVE first step. Great news, all things considered.

    https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/city-centre-transport-plan-2023/dublin-city-council-transport-plan-faqs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Daith


    The right hand turn for cars on O'Connell Bridge to Eden Quay? Is that not going to make a messy area even more chaotic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's been watered down to 0700 to 1900.

    Anyway what's to stop people ignoring the new rules like on college green and Fairview?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I think (hoping) that the left turn only from Bachelors Walk to O'Connell Street will generate only a very small amount of traffic from 7am to 7pm as most cars along that road go straight to Eden Quay at the moment.

    Ultimately it's all about enforcement which is non-existent so I won't be holding my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Dick isn't much of a friend to you after all is he?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    How many drivers will abide by it in reality? I wouldnt get too excited just yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Daith


    Ah, maybe it's leading to cameras and automatic penalty points along there. In 80 years time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    A positive start, at least it wasn't rejected outright. I agree with others that enforcement outside of the permitted access is key. I would have thought that ANPR cameras at junctions would be a necessary adjunct to the start date. But who am I kidding?

    Will be interesting to see if the doom and gloom predicted by the business (ahem car park) owners will prove correct. I very much doubt it and they may see an upswing in people actually going into town if the journey is not one where you'd need your sandwiches and flask for sitting on the bus in the congestion.

    I'm disappointed it's not 24/7 but this decision is better than outright backtracking on the plan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Lots will abide the rules. It's a very high profile traffic change, and I would expect the guards will police it higher than other junctions. They did so at the start of College Green bus gate.

    Lots of people will also ignore it, but it will certainly see a decrease in private cars. There's no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Doc07


    Agree good start and glad they held their nerve against the last ditch attempts to kill it. I hope some proper objective data can be gathered to maintain this and possibly even extend the hours beyond 7-7. As a bonus I hope it shows up the Mannix Flynns , Pat Kennys and Conor Faughnans up as the massive twats that they are



  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Will they be required to have sign posts advising alternate routes. I.e on Tara street turning left on to Burgh Quay. I suspect lots of drivers who only drive on that section heading west might not have a clue on how to get where they want to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Good news for a change, barring any appeals to ABP or the High Court etc by the car park lobby. Enforcement via camera fines would make total sense, but this is Ireland after all. You could spin it as freeing up scarce Garda traffic resources to police the carnage on our roads too, very easy sell in the current climate but how never. I'll take this positive news for a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Next up, maybe some thought will be given to moving some of the bus stops currently on Bachelor's Walk down to Eden Quay. That section of the quays is just choc a bloc with all sorts of buses, Dublin Bus, Go ahead, long distance, tour buses etc. all unloading onto a rather narrow footpath, together with suitcases and bags from the non commuter buses. Maybe move the long distance down to Eden Quay and leave Bachelor's Walk just for commuter buses? Or vice versa.

    The same issue applies to Aston Quay. There are a lot of stops all along nearly to the Hapenny Bridge, and then there's a rinse and repeat at Wellington Quay just a few metres up. However I don't know what they can do about that right at the minute. Worth looking into though, maybe some buses could stop at Burgh Quay now that cars will be gone for the restricted hours anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I could respond that if he were a friend to your agenda, he would have implemented the measures as they were presented to the City Council.

    Rather, he has scaled it back to a mere tokenistic measure. An Irish solution.

    As mentioned by others above, without enforcement, it'll just be ignored anyway, the same as the College Green bus gate already is.

    And of course, there is the high likelihood of a judicial review challenge to the whole scheme coming from the Dublin City Centre Traders anyway, probably backed by ISME and Retail Excellence Ireland.

    And so, though you would never admit it, my zealous little friend, its a hollow enough victory for you today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Delicious petulant tears!

    Can I ask why you hate the idea of less traffic choking our small and historic city centre? do you curse the Luas and Dart too? do you also hate the Port Tunnell and long for the days of 100's of artic lorries belching diesel fumes up & down the quays? just find your small minded mindset utterly bizarre and sad.

    This is a tiny and much needed victory for sustainable transport in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That's not what a judicial review is, thos is local authority part 8 powers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    So the car parks won I suppose they paid off the right folks. Democracy lost, oh well. I'm looking forward to the people power response in any case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    That's another good start. Do you mean ALL the tour buses, and was this in the original plan? Sorry for assuming you will do the research for me, but I didn't know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    I read it on the Dublin City Council transport plan, maybe it was the original plan and it hasn't been updated yet.

    Am i wrong or will everything other than buses, taxis and cyclists be sent up O'Connell street if they drive in that far or does the restriction start before Bachelors Walk?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,975 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    Don't know what the big deal is so, you can still get to almost anywhere if you travel into town between 7 and 7, it will just take a bit longer if you don't use public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And despite this flim-flam, we can chalk this down as another case of you being absolute certain something wasn't going to happen; and being incredibly, incredibly wrong about it.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,594 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Im a bit confused by this. So travelling from Heuston to Grand Canal Dock what is the actual route now? And same for in reverse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yes I agree it's a bit of a mish mash, however if cars want to get down to the docklands or further on that way, they can't go down Eden Quay anymore, which you know about obv. The detours might just put car drivers off doing unnecessary journeys that direction, but if you have to then yes it's all around the houses for you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭john boye


    If it was always just going to be ignored anyway then why were you so vexed by it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭The Mathematician




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    Google maps gives two routes, Along the Liffey as you would now and without the Liffey it will bring you all around the town, Highlighted Blue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Not sure myself. But what they REALLY want you to do (or others taking that route) is to take the train to Heuston and get one of the C spine buses which stop along there. Sure they'll fly down near enough to GCD with no cars in the way! Not sure if you can get on a train at Heuston that goes to GCD, and if not, that's a bit of a bummer alright. I think the trains bypass Heuston and go under the tunnel and then on to GCD. Could be wrong about that.

    So leave the car at home is the message I suppose!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Daith


    This will hopefully improve public transport along the quays...but for buses that use O'Connell St Northbound, will it just add more traffic? Or is the hope traffic evaporation will sort that out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    Imagine the chaos if everything is being put up O Connell street and there is a minor crash or a truck was to break down, but I would think a majority will find alternative routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Turning left onto OCS isn't much use to the vast majority of trips so they won't do it. It's only of any use to people wanting to get to arnotts car park. The problem with that is, we're going to have 3m times half a KM of some of the busiest stretch of street in Ireland dedicated entirely to a few dozen cars heading to a private car park, while the rest of us stand on a 60cm footpath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,006 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Could you imagine a congestion charge applying if you only use OCS to access the car park. That'd be great, let them pay for the privilege of using a few metre stretch of the main street in the capital. C'mon DCC!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Daith


    Yeah fair enough. Tbh O'Connell St Northbound is chaotic enough just with the Luas and Buses anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    Thats not a bad shout at all, but implement it from the bus gates entrance.
    Charge similar rates as the port tunnel do and traffic will soon reduce.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,594 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Thanks for that. Its actually to pearse street more so and travelling from Lucan. Unfortunately I've to bring the car as I do a car share every day and collect people along the way for whom a bus isn't a viable option.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    They can't even get ANPR fine cameras sorted out, so a congestion charge is pie in the sky at this point anyway. The hysteria of (slightly) hindering access to car parks has led to this fudge from 24/7 to 7-7 and allowing the turns at Bachelors Walk & OCB, can you imagine Pat Kenny and co's reaction to a congestion charge!

    Was Parliament St supposed to be pedestrianised with these changes initially? or is that tied in with the College Green plaza plan?



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