USA 2024 presidential election

The violent, end of days atmosphere has been way too toxic for years. Social media has fuelled it to a huge extent. The January 6th stuff with nutters charging down corridors looking for politicians, that guy who bludgeoned Pelosi's husband at his own home, now seemingly an assassination attempt, it's in danger of boiling over. A mature, sensible democracy would dial the temperature way down but I'm not confident that will happen.

yeah we are fucked, I don't like a lot of Irish politicians for example but when I go online I do get worried. Yes most of these lads are losers who couldn't crack an egg but their is probably a few with bad intentions with the will to do harm.

Ehh. He's given the election to CFTrump.

It helps Trump get his vote out.
It might not sway people’s decisions, but it will ensure that anyone who is vaguely pro-trump will come out and vote

Electorally speaking, Biden is totally gone. Completely dead in the water. The combination of looking frail and confused at the debate, and Trump surviving an assassination attempt (getting an incredible photo-op out of it) is a devastating one-two combo. Not to mention his donors apparently turning the tap off in some cases. The only hope the Democrats possess is to throw the convention open and get a candidate who can energise their base.

That's not really a win for Biden, though. Maybe, he thinks it's a win, I don't know, but if he does, it just shows how incredibly myopic he is being. That 'win' only sets him up to possibly clinch the nomination, run until November, be roundly beaten by Trump and his doubly energised base, and then Biden's legacy gets marred by a crazy short-sightedness, selfishness, arrogance and stubbornness.

Things can change but yeah it does feel its over for November and also for those who wanted Biden ousted in the Dem party.

At a time when President Joe Biden has been struggling to shore up support with fellow Democrats following a miserable June debate performance and shaky cleanup effort, some professional Democratic political operatives said Saturday’s shooting will end up sealing the incumbent’s electoral fate.

“We’re so beyond f---ed,” one longtime Democratic insider said, noting that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, with blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be indelible.

“The presidential contest ended last night,” said a veteran Democratic consultant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to give a candid assessment of his own party’s standing less than four months before the election.

“Now it’s time to focus on keeping the Senate and trying to pick up the House,” he said. “The only positive thing to come out of last night for Democrats is we are no longer talking about Joe Biden’s age today.”

One Democratic strategist who has worked on multiple presidential campaigns and on Capitol Hill said that the physical targeting of Trump robs Biden of his main argument against the former president. Biden, the strategist pointed out, has tried to convince voters that Trump is so extreme that he presents a threat to democracy.

“That message is dead,” the strategist said, after a gunman tried to kill the presumptive nominee of one of the two major parties. The bullet that struck Trump “probably saved Biden’s nomination” by freezing Democratic calls for him to step aside and “doomed his re-election.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-fret-political-fallout-trump-rally-shooting-rcna161789

There are no independents in this election. It's avowed Republicans, Democrats, and folks who don't always show up to vote. This election is entirely about whether the Democrats can get their vote out. Democratic incompetence is what's threatening to put Trump back in office, tale as old as time.

Someone who would for trump now is not an independent. It's black and white what he represents

Trump is gonna use this as 'proof' that he has been ordained by jesus himself. His cult will lap it up.

Biden has zero chance now.

Jack Smith should've acted to have her removed months ago. It's a farce she has been left in situ.

It would be amazing if the two talked and both decided to drop out, since both claim their reason for running is the other. One can only dream.

Question then is whether Trump's lawyers can immediately appeal such a decision to the SC, or if it will instead just proceed with a new judge? Obviously this case has been punted to after the election, as Trump was hoping for

Presumably they would appeal in line with Thomas's recent written opinion, which Cannon has based her decision off of.

There's also 4 months til the election. Plenty of time for the reality of his character to be reinforced and the future he represents.

Average Americans are not particularly politically literate though, I don't think, and most will vote with their pockets.

Will say...I had more money under Trump and he's promising more tax cuts.

Simple messages can be very powerful

Correct.

People grossly overestimate the average American voter.

I don't think its time to be down at Paddy Powers with the life savings, but it does feel like the Dems can't just muddle along if they are serious about beating Trump so yeah Biden probably needs to go. Michelle would be a fun candidate but never heard a word about her wanting the job so its probably Newsom, Harris or Whitmer if Joe steps away .

On the VP slot, think this is a poor call from Trump. Vance has little political experience and his only political win was in a very red state where he underperformed. Burgum, Rubio and Youngkin were in contention and all those especially Youngkin would have brought more voters than Vance does.

I think Trump is strong fav still, but does feel like a missed opportunity from Trump to stomp the Dems with this bizarre choice as VP when the likes of Youngkin and Rubio were right their.

I remember Freakonomics did a really good podcast years ago where they assessed how much control the sitting President actually had over the state of the economy of the country. Ultimately they determined that in the short term (ie the duration of their time in office) they had next to no influence whatsoever.

Trump had the fortune of riding an economic wave that he had nothing to do with but the average voter doesn't realise that.

And, just like those folks from Texas I posted about the other day, when I mentioned 'he's going to impose tariffs, so you'll pay more for things,'…. well, how do you square the circle?

Also, someone mentioned 'cheques signed by Trump.' That was during Covid. You want those cheques back? Bring back the pandemic ffs.