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Assassination attempt on Donald Trump - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,803 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    GET THE JOB DONE. That was Trump's comment to Israel. Carte blanche to go for it without regard to civilian casualties.

    Evidence Trump would have acted differently = zero.

    Well actually the evidence is Trump would have sent even more arms, without conditions, and no aid for Palestinians.

    If ever there was an example of wanton blindness… it is going around that somehow Trump would be any better for Palestinians than Biden. The same Trump who was ok with the Jerusalem capital move, the same Trump with close ties to Netanyahu.

    All the evidence shows the opposite.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,702 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Nonsense, invasion in 2022 happened largely because Trump had embolden Putin the 4 years he was in office. Trump weakened confidence in NATO playing into Putins hands.

    If Trump had been in charge Ukraine would be now under Russian control as would Montenegro. The Baltics would currently be in the process of being over-run.

    Trumps presidency was the most destructive in American history.

    • Over a million Americans dead due to negligence and false information provided by their commander in chief.
    • First president since Hoover to leave office with less jobs that whdn he entered.
    • The US standing among it allies and countries in the west took an unprecedented downturn
    • Scandal after scandal during his term. No president not even Nixon has seen as many indictments and arrests of his key staff. Trump himself escaped because of who he was, in any other Western society he would be facing years in prison.
    • Filling the Supreme Court with unqualified partisan hacks that will have a bearing on American life for next 5 decades.

    There is a reason presidential historians ranked Trump as worst president ever and that sure doesn't happen if you have an "uneventful" time in the WH. Even Republican historians have him ranked in bottom 5…



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,650 ✭✭✭golfball37


    I never suggested Trump gives a toss about Ukrainian people but keep deflecting. Putin would not have invaded in 22 if Trump were president. Like it or not and we’d all be better off, including the dispersed people who are now all over Europe yearning to return home



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    “You have to finish up, you have to get the job done. And you
    have to get on to peace, to get on to a normal life for Israel, and for
    everybody else.”

    “What I said very plainly is get it over
    with, and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a
    very simple statement. Get it over with. They’ve got to finish what
    they finish. They have to get it done. Get it over with, and get it over
    with fast, because we have to, you have to get back to normalcy and
    peace,”

    What should he say about a conflict that gets worse and worse? Not get the job done ie. not get the hostages back and get to peace?

    His actual quotes paint a completely reasonable picture yet you both use snippets to validate Biden's actions. As if as usual, Biden has no power when he does wrong.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,803 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The only deflecting is coming from you … you've provided zero evidence to back up your claim and completely ignore his actual conduct towards Ukraine, towards Russia, and recent speeches about not coming to help NATO countries if attacked.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 417 ✭✭Babyreignbow


    so you'd be ok with Putin declaring war on all of us until Trump gets his way? Yeah, that's dictatorship for ya.

    If a thousand suns were to rise
    and stand in the noon sky, blazing,
    such brilliance would be like the fierce
    brilliance of that mighty Self.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,803 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So still nothing, still no evidence, the same nonsense already discredited multiple times on the forum already.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,887 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    It's funny how the people who think this was staged haven't tried to explain the dead shooter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    usually the response from the right to a shooting is 'give the good guys guns'

    let every maga take their guns to rallys from now on, i'd tune in to watch that, be like squid games



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,509 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I don't know how you could come to that conclusion given that strong indications have been basically given that Ukraine would not be given support. Even more recently, not only have threats been made that some NATO members would be abandoned if invaded, explicit calls for Russia to invade those who weren't paying their fair share were made.

    If you are against Ukrainian refugees here, you wouldn't want to be in a situation where Ukraine is abandoned in whole or in part. Because those that are here will be here for good and they will be joined by many others should Russia prevail there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,702 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Why would he need to invade in 22 Trump was already actively helping him dismantle the country internally during his first term that would continue with the 2nd term, Russia used Trumps shakedown call against Zelensky and was fostering a narrative of nazification of Ukraine etc., Putin wouldn’t have been as desperate to strike to maintain his own favorability, because Biden and Zelensky were working to fold Ukraine into NATO (something Trump never would have done), but we will never know - what we do know for sure is it’s absolutely absurd to suggest Trump was a good thing for Ukraine, he had already handed Putin Crimea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,042 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's pretty crazy that a roof top directly across from the stage, had a shooter on it, and he was not even noticed by those who's one job was to notice, no one challenged the shooter, he's on the roof with rifle, public saw him, public told cops, and still nothing. Secret Service, more like Room Service. It was such an obvious vantage point, and it was left unmanned .



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Stop using Trump saying "get it done" as some sort of validation of Biden's actions. In the full quotes, Trump is clearly saying to get onto peace.

    Anyways this thread is about the assassination attempt. We can continue arguing about this tomorrow in the relevant threads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,866 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Don't read mainstream media. Don't listen to the consensus. Don't believe everything you read. Except this random site, read that. Conspiracy cranks are all the same.

    And can't ever explain their beliefs, just say "do your own research" or similar.

    What a load of rubbish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    The usual one is a fake escape plan. That way the shooter's silence is ensured. It's a bit of a rabbit hole to go down with some of the theories.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,702 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ”you have to finish up” “and let’s get back to peace”

    There’s a step one and a step 2. Step one is the finishing up, you’re naive if you think that means anything short of wiping out “the Palestine problem”

    Peace is when Jared can develop new beach front property.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,903 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Nothing to do with the Secret Service, they man the inner cordon, the outer is covered by the local/state police department, sheriff etc.

    He was nearly 200m from the stage, well outside the area the Secret Service deal with and man.

    Post edited by Witcher on


  • Registered Users Posts: 82,702 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Funny thinking that all coconspirators have to get out of a conspiracy alive (but I don’t think this was “staged”):



  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Ok, we’ll disagree over the differences between the terms war and conflict, it’s noticeable that you haven’t argued against the part of the post which stated that war/conflicts escalated, more people dying, more people raped, during Biden time, and because he lacks any influence over other leaders.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    If you take "get it done" as meaning "wipe out Palestinians", I don't understand your support of the sitting US president who increased and has continued supplying weapons towards that cause.

    That just means America is the monster, not the president in charge at the time. I cannot find any reasonable way to think otherwise if I consider your take on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    That's absurd. The rooftop is next to the stage. It isn't an apartment building with 100 windows. They are obviously responsible for security at all shooting points.

    Like to genuinely believe the secret service's job has a perimeter within sight of those they are protecting? Really?

    These sorts of inane arguments all fall down if you take it to the extreme. An apartment building full of snipers but it's outside of the exact area the rally is happening, and they just don't mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,702 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    you mean suspended weapons shipments.

    what shipment did Trump suspend? I mean besides abandoning the Kurds

    Congressional Republicans only allowed any Ukraine aid through contingent on more Israel aid getting through if that’s what you mean to say. Keep on twisting though. You said you wanted to continue this in another thread yet you persist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Im genuinely curious for people who have a literal derangement about Trump. How has he actually negatively impacted your life personally. He didn't start any wars and we aren't subject to US domestic policy. Personally my life didn't change for good or bad when we became president, and it didn't change when Biden took over either. Honestly the amount of energy and emotion people invest in the politics of another country is bizarre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,453 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    God saved Trump supposedly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    What is your actual basis for this? Currently his concept of peace is handing over large portions of Ukraine to Russia who are committing genocide..... That doesn't sound like a person who would have bothered..

    And once again this just sounds pretty suspect. Ukraine wants to retain their nation, the current ending of this war would amount to allowing genocide of a large proportion of Ukrainians.

    Trump was destabilising while president, he literally attempt extort Zelensky to get dirt on a political opponent or he would withhold weaponry. That's a person who absolutely doesn't have any regard for his role and only ever put himself first. On top of that, are you really arguing for a rapist to prevent rapes?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,903 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    You probably don't understand the concept of inner and outer cordons.

    The snipers behind Trump that were facing out from the stage and returned fire were Secret Service as were all those that emerged after the shots were fired. They provide the close protection detail for him.

    They would have swept the areas including the surrounding buildings prior to his arrival but then their security is left to state and local police to maintain. He scaled a building off an adjacent car car the other side of a small field, his arrival and presence should have been noticed by those covering the surrounding roads and buildings.

    The Secret Service are a relatively small unit, close protection detail, they're not an army, outer security at these events is provide by state and local police, sheriff depts etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Biden increased shipments massively, suspended one? but keeps shipping them, and then threatened the ICC. I know you're deep deep into Biden but I also know you're incredibly against Israel's actions, and those two views are incompatible in any logical breakdown of the situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Wait until Trump is elected,the wailing will be off the charts.



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