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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,594 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    The violent, end of days atmosphere has been way too toxic for years. Social media has fuelled it to a huge extent. The January 6th stuff with nutters charging down corridors looking for politicians, that guy who bludgeoned Pelosi's husband at his own home, now seemingly an assassination attempt, it's in danger of boiling over. A mature, sensible democracy would dial the temperature way down but I'm not confident that will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    yeah we are fucked, I don't like a lot of Irish politicians for example but when I go online I do get worried. Yes most of these lads are losers who couldn't crack an egg but their is probably a few with bad intentions with the will to do harm.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Shooter was a registered Republican apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,707 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Not sure what this does to hand the election to Trump. No one who wasn't voting for him yesterday is likely to have their opinions changed by this. It remains a case of who gets the better turnout. Biden needs to go, get a better candidate in and hammer Trump for being raping POS that he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It helps Trump get his vote out.
    It might not sway people’s decisions, but it will ensure that anyone who is vaguely pro-trump will come out and vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Absolutely bonkers day, even by US politics standards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Electorally speaking, Biden is totally gone. Completely dead in the water. The combination of looking frail and confused at the debate, and Trump surviving an assassination attempt (getting an incredible photo-op out of it) is a devastating one-two combo. Not to mention his donors apparently turning the tap off in some cases. The only hope the Democrats possess is to throw the convention open and get a candidate who can energise their base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Oddly enough the biggest "winner " in this bar Trump is Biden because its killed all momentum that their may have been to get rid of Biden and its probable he gets to the convention which is only a month away.

    Then I think it would be near impossible to replace him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's not really a win for Biden, though. Maybe, he thinks it's a win, I don't know, but if he does, it just shows how incredibly myopic he is being. That 'win' only sets him up to possibly clinch the nomination, run until November, be roundly beaten by Trump and his doubly energised base, and then Biden's legacy gets marred by a crazy short-sightedness, selfishness, arrogance and stubbornness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Trump's narrative has always been "They are out to get me". It's how he has batted away every scandal, every impeachment and every trial. His base always believed him but beyond that most people saw it as the excuses and deflection of a crook and fraud.

    On Friday night someone really was out to get him though, in the most visceral way possible. Not only did he survive but in that moment where he raised his fist to the crowd with blood streaking the side of his head he looked strong, triumphant and most importantly, vindicated.

    That image alone has won him the election. It'll win over many independents and deflate an already panicked Democratic Party. I suspect they won't even bother ousting Biden at this stage as they'll think to themselves "Why bother risking breaking the party over this - we're going to lose now anyway regardless of who's at the head of the ticket"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Things can change but yeah it does feel its over for November and also for those who wanted Biden ousted in the Dem party.

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    At a time when President Joe Biden has been struggling to shore up support with fellow Democrats following a miserable June debate performance and shaky cleanup effort, some professional Democratic political operatives said Saturday’s shooting will end up sealing the incumbent’s electoral fate.

    “We’re so beyond f---ed,” one longtime Democratic insider said, noting that the image of Trump thrusting his fist in the air, with blood dramatically smeared across his face, will be indelible.

    “The presidential contest ended last night,” said a veteran Democratic consultant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to give a candid assessment of his own party’s standing less than four months before the election.

    “Now it’s time to focus on keeping the Senate and trying to pick up the House,” he said. “The only positive thing to come out of last night for Democrats is we are no longer talking about Joe Biden’s age today.”

    One Democratic strategist who has worked on multiple presidential campaigns and on Capitol Hill said that the physical targeting of Trump robs Biden of his main argument against the former president. Biden, the strategist pointed out, has tried to convince voters that Trump is so extreme that he presents a threat to democracy.

    “That message is dead,” the strategist said, after a gunman tried to kill the presumptive nominee of one of the two major parties. The bullet that struck Trump “probably saved Biden’s nomination” by freezing Democratic calls for him to step aside and “doomed his re-election.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-fret-political-fallout-trump-rally-shooting-rcna161789



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,568 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The Dems have been shown up with their smooth brain "Steal muh Democracy " stuff , epic backfire I hope

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There are no independents in this election. It's avowed Republicans, Democrats, and folks who don't always show up to vote. This election is entirely about whether the Democrats can get their vote out. Democratic incompetence is what's threatening to put Trump back in office, tale as old as time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    There no Independents? Of course there are. There's not as many of them as in the past since so many people identify as Republican or Democrat these days but there are literally millions of people who don't care one way or the other. Now many of those people do not vote but many of them do too - especially in Presidential elections.

    These are often, what is described as "low information" voters. They don't consume politics. They'll often actively avoid it as they just see it as boring or a source of conflict. They often vote out of a sense of civic duty and they often make their minds up quite late in the process.

    The political parties are obsessed with these people. They'll often hold focus groups of "Obama-Trump" voters or "Trump-Biden" voters to try and pick their brains and work out how they can best capture their votes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Someone who would for trump now is not an independent. It's black and white what he represents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Not to them it's not. They're literally not paying attention. Often they'll come out with moronic statements like "He was good for the economy because he's a successful business man" or "I got a cheque with his name on it. Joe Biden never gave me anything".

    They're not bothered about the Stormy Daniels case or even January 6th. They're more likely to accept his lies at face value or they haven't even been paying attention to any of that.

    If someone were to wave a magic wand and have Barack Obama run again a lot of them would probably vote for him instead.

    I'm not trying to make a case for these people's motives but they do exist and they're pivotal to elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump is gonna use this as 'proof' that he has been ordained by jesus himself. His cult will lap it up.

    Biden has zero chance now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    According to the FT, Judge Cannon has thrown out the classified documents case as a violation of the US Constitution.

    Such a messed up country with essentially politically hired Judges sitting on cases



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Jack Smith should've acted to have her removed months ago. It's a farce she has been left in situ.



  • Registered Users Posts: 743 ✭✭✭techman1


    If he were to retire as President, (which he will not), would a President Kamala Harris get a major boost in the polls that would give her the election?

    No she would not, if anything she should have pulled out of vice presidency to give someone else a go , or else declared that she wasn't going to be his running mate for a second term. Surely anthony blinken or jake sullivan highly accomplished people should have been in the running to take over from biden.

    However now that the assassination attempt on trump has removed the focus on biden , it has also removed the momentum and impetus on those seeking to get biden to step down. Biden was dead right to face them down and refuse to budge. They reckon Obama was among the movers in the background trying to manipulate events to get biden to go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 845 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It would be amazing if the two talked and both decided to drop out, since both claim their reason for running is the other. One can only dream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,511 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Smith will appeal, and in my opinion win and will have Cannon removed from the case, because it's a ridiculous decision plus she's been slapped down by the appeals court before



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Question then is whether Trump's lawyers can immediately appeal such a decision to the SC, or if it will instead just proceed with a new judge? Obviously this case has been punted to after the election, as Trump was hoping for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,511 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Two things to remember, If she hadn't been sanctioned before then it might have had a chance of kicking it up the line. But that said, the SC isn't there for appeals, it's for arguing against the law and how it's written, and not (generally) there for appeals



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Presumably they would appeal in line with Thomas's recent written opinion, which Cannon has based her decision off of.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I am starting to question how this might benefit Trump though, in the long run: if he were a figure who can still curry the Independent vote then yeah, you'd probably see a swing towards the guy being resolute in the face of death. But surely at this stage enough minds have been made up that "nobody" is gonna switch their vote and ignore all the previous red flags



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There's also 4 months til the election. Plenty of time for the reality of his character to be reinforced and the future he represents.



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    4 years in office and 4 years of being the opposition (effectively) should have shown anyone who cared exactly the type of person he is and what he represents.



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