Dangerous Dogs Owners

Xl bullies walking around are not really the problem in my opinion. Like a recent high profile case , it is the scenario of these dogs being kept inside and never trained , exercised or most importantly socialised. Imagine the mayhem when these dogs get loose. Lowlife owners are a major part of the problem and if joe public thinks that these people will take any notice of this ban. In fact I think the ban will make their unethical breeding even more lucrative.

As Pete the Vet said in today's Independent , he feels sorry for Vets and owners having to euthanize perfectly healthy socially well adjusted family pets. They can't even define what an XL Bully is because do do not have a breed standard as per the IKA.

Hey will you go away from your fantasy land of shoot this shoot that. You have been spewing misinformation constantly of late boasting that you will shoot dogs on sight on your property etc.

You do realise if you discharge a firearm in a public place or your own property , with a very few exceptions, you must contact gardai and immediately surrender firearm and ammunition pending investigation.

These are facts , my cousin is a member of the ASU.

I agree with you about people being careless when it comes to rules about restricted breeds , but this hysteria taking photos and videos , omg there is a dangerous dog in the area. This is the stuff that is whipping up a frenzy among the uninformed.

Sorry to hijack your post, but when you've mentioned a frenzy, Terry Pratchett came to my mind..

the IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters

And as you can see, there's plenty of posters here ready with their pitchfork to attend 😁

Tis fairly simple lads. Some people cannot act proper and lawfully with dog breeds known to cause damage, so like every other law ever, the rest of us have to suffer because of the idiots and selfish cnuts. That's the way of life. Sucks if you already have one, especially if you can't get the exemption, but such is life. I'd absolutely adore a pet monkey. But it's not legal to own one in Ireland. Will be the same with these dogs, and anyone from this point on buying one is just deliberately being a dick.

Laws are created because some people can't behave themselves. Just the way it is. And Ireland has a fair section of selfish people who only want these dogs for specific purposes, and nothing other than law can stop them. I imagine the main purpose of this law is to make the owners accountable for anything the dog does, which is fair imo.

Did someone really just suggest that banning these things will increase the risk of attacks?

How?!

some types of dogs are more dangerous than others

If I'm not mistaken, there's what? Almost 400 dog breeds accepted? Right?

( Correct me on that, because not too sure about the real number)

So get yourself notepad or whatever and start making a list of more dangerous dogs than others. Can't wait for your suggestions.

It's much more doable to establish proper approach, education, basics when it comes to dog ownership, breeding etc. Might take a time, but probably worth it in the long run. Bans in England sorted nothing. Did we learn anything from it... Nope.

And please, spare me of some wild thoughts of yours...

as incredible as it might sound, when I suggested a ban would reduce the risk of attacks, someone responded “it could well end up with quite opposite results.”

Mental, right?

The Restricted breed list should be abolished anyway.

Doing nothing - as you’re so insistently proposing - isn’t an option.

I'm not doing that.

Ban won't drastically reduce the numbers of these yokes (your word), don't think there's any significant number of dogs of that breed in Ireland anyway, maybe you have some figures to show.

For how long is Restricted breeds list in action? Did it somehow affect numbers of dog attacks? Nope. Dog attacks, or bites numbers are growing. From limited sources we have here, most of attacks goes with unrestricted breeds.

Introducing ban, without sorting out already existing problems, is only a political stunt.

I'm glad you are happy with ban and hope to see you here in a year to show me how ban is working.

Sad to see the DSPCA coming out with a statement saying "it's the owner not the breed". The doggie equivalent of "a good man with a gun".

Please just stop giving out false information. It's not perfectly legal to shoot a domestic animal just because it's on your property. The burden of proof is entirely on you to show that it was an extreme circumstance and you were unable to contact gardai.

If naive readers believe your crap they could find themselves in a heap of trouble.

I'm beginning to think you are living in sort of Rambo fantasy land.

German shepherd = more dangerous than a cocker spaniel

Rodhesion ridgeback = more dangerous than a miniature schnauzer

Rottweiler = more dangerous than a standard poodle.

See it’s not hard to do. Take all the dogs on the restricted breeds. They are they because of the potential damage they could inflict.

That doesn't say "just because it's on your land". It says "and worrying sheep".

Nobody who's saying that a ban wouldn't work seems interested in examining this suggestion. It seems like as good an idea as any other to me.

Of course the problem in Ireland, as always, will be in following up and applying the bloody law, whatever it is. We're not good at that - and that was ok in a rural country where social pressure meant that there were other sorts of control on people's behaviour, but in a diverse society with large anonymous towns, that's a rtecipe for disaster.

(A general point, applicable to a lot more than dog ownership laws, of course)