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Mayo GAA Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    St Brigids in Roscommon fans also as in the 90s he led them to their first county title since the 60s and was involved in their first ever Connacht title won in the 00s. Mayo hadn't reached All Ireland senior final since 1951 before he became manager and a good few of that 1989 senior team was part of 1983 U21 All Ireland winning managed by John. RIP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Just on the rules - I can't believe more teams aren't milking the attacking mark for all it's worth, it's an absolute gift to forwards if you can work them in any sort of half decent position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Agreed. It's crazy.

    Tyrone have had a couple of interesting moves straight off the training ground that have worked wonderfully well for them… though even then it's a rare sight for them rather than a common one.

    It'll be interesting to watch if the new 'advantage' change or just the 20/45 positioning change manage to make it through. The advantage in particular (especially if combined with a 4 point goal) could see an increase in use as it gives a huge opportunity to attack sides & not having to fear the turnover so much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    John O'Mahoney. A Mayo man that won for Mayo, Leitrim and Galway. With all the talk of rivalry a reminder of the little difference there is between us. RIP John.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    John O' Mahoney and his team in 1989 gave so many Mayo people our first experience of our team being in an All Ireland final.

    As one of those Mayo people I will forever be grateful.

    R.l.P

    Post edited by Fr Tod Umptious on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Was very sad to hear about John O'Mahoney.

    He was mainly overshadowed by the profile of Micko, Boylan and Morgan in his time but delving deeper he left some legacy to Mayo, Leitrim and Galway.

    Not many Football Finals in my time has quite captured the public in the manner of Galways triumph in 1998.

    Very much an underappreciated figure in the game.

    RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Not sure the decision was his own. On June 24th. 2024 in an interview with Michael Verney Irish Indeoendent, he said he was looking for a new three year contract with Leitrim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Possibly not his decision. Media reports seemed to present it that way though - stepped down…Leitrim GAA quoted as disappointed. 3 years would be a big commitment for Leitrim board so maybe out of courtesy they let him say he was stepping away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,576 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    RIP John O'Mahony

    When you think about it, a connacht championship beating Roscommon, Galway & Mayo, surely one of the greatest achievements ever in the GAA?

    1989 started something very special for us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It was an amazing achievement. Just to think he was forced to walk away from Mayo by the county board and came back only 3 years later with a small football county like Leitrim and beat them in a connacht final. John wouldn't be one for holding grudges but there was a certain poetic justice to it.

    I remember the public outcry when he dropped Padraig Brogan from the Mayo panel in the late 80s but he knew it had to be done for the overall good of the panel and to bring Mayo to the next level. He had a great combination of decency and authority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭BandMember


    I think that team had reached the end of their life cycle and a rebuild had to be done, but to lose him over not being able to choose his own selectors (no matter how different times were, that will always seem to be incredibly stupid) was yet another reason why the County Board and Mayo football is one of the biggest obstacles in our quest for Sam. We're our own worst enemies at times. It was 5 years wasted and a lot of "what ifs" asked. Johnno was a smart operator though and never took a job where there wasn't the playing talent to make it a success. Fair play to him, he achieved a lot and deserves respect for doing so. It's just another one of those "what ifs" had he been left to finish the job in Mayo the first time around……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree the 89 team was at the end of it's cycle. The actual peak years for that team were probably 86-87 when they didn't build on 1985.

    He had actually started the rebuild in 91 though. Brought in players like Peter Butler, Colm Mac, Ray Dempsey, Tony Morley (who seemed to go downhill after Johnno left), Paul McStay, Kevin Staunton. He even managed to convince Tomas Tierney to come on board to effectively fill the problematic centre back slot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,272 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Great 90 minute interview with Aidan O Shea

    Reinforced all my perceptions (positive ) of him and some of the negatives of supporters within our county



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    There's absolute headers supporting every county but a hard line has to be drawn at contacting relations or delivering hate mail. That's beyond mental. I know in our own county Joe Canning and a couple of the hurlers experienced similar but they actually found out who it was in the end.

    O'Shea came across very well though. He's a lot more articulate than I'd have imagined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,272 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Spot on about Joe Canning. I couldn’t believe the abuse he used to get in some areas of Galway when the intercounty team lost. It was personal stuff . Very parochial mindset ! One of the greatest ever but it was like they were hoping he would fails so they could say “I told you so”.

    Weird

    It’s not as bad towards OShea and has definitely softened this year but there was an element of jealousy about it as well



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Have always thought O'Shea was unfairly maligned tbh.

    It's such a flaw of the GAA that they don't make more of these big personalities like O'Shea, Canning or even Clifford today. Like they could be turned into ambassadors but instead its made into some bad thing to have a personality outside of the game. People act like being a figurehead is bad instead of using it to the advantage of the publicity of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,584 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The GAA doesn't want people with personalities outside the game because they can't exploit them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i cant see o shea in the same bracket as canning or the likes of clifford , i thought he was excellent in his early days in mid field , but colm bolyle , lee keegan , jason doherty and keith higgins,were all incredible players that had far greater impact within the team but never properly recognised

    i keep thinking to a qualifier in ennis in 2017 or 18 , every mayo supporter i met that day were obsessed with the lack of fouls he was getting and the abuse he was getting , while at the same time colm boyle was probably the best player in the country and kevin mclaughlin was running the show, mayo over looked some amount of great footballers just to praise the likes of aidan o'shea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭spakman


    Boyler was never under-rated in Mayo, he was everyones favourite player!

    Doherty and to a lesser extent McLoughlin were possibly under-rated alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Players do get an opportunity to be ambassadors. We see players attend various sponsored events and give interviews. It's just that managers wnat it done away from big games. For amateur teams especially it can be a big distraction if a players are doing this the week of a game. Aidan has done media stuff in the run up to all Irelands and it looked like he did it outside the team set up.

    "The last think you want is a 2 page spread in the paper and then the **** kicked out of you on sunday' John O'Mahony.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I'm not talking about as a player. I'm talking about the GAA making more of their personalities off the field. O'Shea is very popular with kids, he generates conversation and instead of GAA people taking advantage of it, it's treated as some terrible thing to even have a personality outside of the game. D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    (On Aido) Has he? None spring to mind here.

    He's had a number of stories released the week of All Ireland Finals (notably a photoshoot in swim gear that got a shocking amount of attention & abuse) but that was taken months earlier. They just hold off release of stuff like that to maximise the reach of the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    If you listen to his interview this week, he says he never does anything outside of the permission of the set up and always runs things by the team. He also criticised the notion that players should be unavailable in the run up to games and they discussed the fact that very few other sports have such a terrible relationship with the media as GAA does - this allergic reaction people have to players even doing an interview ffs. There are two semifinals this weekend for example, and hardly a word spoken about either of them all week. Barely any build up or excitement. It's bad for the promotion of the games to have players and managers unavailable, rejection of media etc. And not only that, if a player does make themselves available, they get criticised by other GAA people. Aidan had people criticising him for even talking to some kids who wanted his attention because it's a "distraction". Completely ridiculous stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He did lengthy interviews with Newstalk during the week before the 2012 and 2013 finals. Even if the photoshoots are done in advance they have to be a distraction when they come out for the player in question. No one else seems to be doing them.

    The permission from the set up must be a very new thing because after the 21 final Horan was asked about "players' releasing promotional stuff the week before the game he replied diplomatically 'it's not ideal'.

    As I said I'm not against this stuff at other times but I'm sticking with Horan and and O'Mahoney. Can you imagine Jim McGuinness allowing it either?



  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    Galway deserving winners today.

    Once again, instead of playing a dangerous game of keep-ball with a 1 point advantage, galway went up the pitch and got themselves a 2 point cushion with 3 minutes to go to see out the game comfortably.

    That's why they are well ahead of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Also an ability to kick long range scores from a variety of sources is a big difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭Jizique


    mayo should feel sick looking at how this year is playing out, even if they had their big chance a few years ago and blew it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Why? We played Galway earlier in the championship and were close but not good enough to beat them. At the moment, we're just not good enough to win the AI. No reason to be sick though, only 1 County will win it and the rest are in the same boat as us to varying degrees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭spakman


    of course we were good enough to beat them!

    A combination of poor refereeing and over-conservatism is why we lost. we turned down scoring opportunities which would/should have seen us win relatively comfortably.

    Our inability to close out a game cost us against Galway, Dublin and Derry.

    We were good enough to win all those games, and with the right approach, we'd be good enough to win the All-Ireland this year. Galway and Armagh!? Does anyone think we couldn't beat them!??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    You can't just say we're good enough and at the same time reference our conservatism and our inability to close out games - I agree that those are 2 of our weaknesses but those things are part of us not being good enough.

    Galway have also improved massively since the Connacht final, if you were to pick a combined team, we'd be doing well to have 5 on it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭spakman


    I disagree, I think there's a difference between the players being good enough, and the coaching,/game plan being good enough.

    see donegal where they were last year to where they are this year. Still not the finished article, but mcguinness made a massive difference in a few months



  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    You think kevin should get another season to correct these glaring issues ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    sorry got my wires crossed

    yes any interview he dose he comes across very well , a really sound guy by the sounds of it , he is entitled to whatever he gets on the side , , the people complaining about it are the ones that were at home during the winter watching the champions league or coronation st, while the rain was banging against the front window of the house

    it was the likes of aidan that was out in that rain training, so if he's not entitled to something now forget about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Will be hard to watch Galway in the final but there's no evidence we are as good as them as some are saying. Average midfield, lack of long range scorers, unable to close out 3 games, no left footed freetaker and insufficiently strong bench, are all reasons we aren't good enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    A Galway victory would be a massive embarrassment for Mayo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    You can add a very average management team, lack of quality forwards, aging players to that as well. It is unbelievable that after what was witnessed over the last few years, people would cop the hell on. Disillusion stuff tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭Audioslaven


    It is exactly the complete opposite and is exactly what Mayo need!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    we'd be good enough to win the All-Ireland this year. Galway and Armagh!? Does anyone think we couldn't beat them!??

    In an All Ireland final?

    I'd say we couldn't beat them.

    We've never stepped up in an All Ireland final and beaten a team we should beat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    so true..

    Galway never looked like winning the 22 final either…….think its a west of Ireland mentality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I do think Kerry were the better team on that day to be fair. But there was a hesitancy in the first half from Kerry, It felt like they were afraid to lose it. I think this year its 50/50 for the final and I think this Galway team is much improved from 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Regardless of what people think if we are good enough or not. There is a small gap between us and the top teams, but a gap nonetheless! This year, we were not good enough to win Connacht or get to a quarter final. That's the facts, the teams that we're supposedly better than were good enough to do exactly that and get to a final.

    I don't see next year panning out any differently either unless we can figure out how to get Tommy Conroy scoring again, or find another two Ryan's. We don't have enough players that can score.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    From what I have seen in the development of other teams as the season unfolded, I think that gap is bigger than you think. I think Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Armagh, Donegal are well ahead of Mayo. Mayo may be able to beat them the odd time and keep the illusion going that we are close to the top table. But I reckon when it comes to the business end of the Championship, that all those teams will beat Mayo 9 out of 10 times.

    I'd have Mayo alongside the likes of Roscommon, Cork, Tyrone, Derry etc. Mayo lack leaders and players with determination that the bigger teams have. The likes of Rian O'Neill, Stefan Campbell, Ciaran Kilkenny, Fenton, McCarthy, Paul Conroy, Sean Kelly, Paudi Clifford, Diarmuid O'Connor (Kerry). Those guys will grasp a game by the neck, and die with their boots on to get their team over the line. Paddy Durkin is our man I guess, but he is always out injured. We used to have those personalities in the likes of Keegan, Boyle, Higgins, Barrett, Andy Moran. And that is a lot of the reason that led to the great decade or so we had from 2012 onwards. But we don't have that right now. Hopefully players will grow in to that type of role e.g. Sam Callinan



  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Compo82


    I don't think Galway or Armagh are far ahead of Mayo at all and I would give us a great chance against them if the game was tomorrow. Dublin and Kerry seem to have come back into the Mayo got rode in Galway game by Gough in the last ten minutes, admittedly he had given some questionable decisions to Mayo earlier in the game. Mayo beat Galway last year in the preliminary quarter and in the league final. Maybe Mayo just lacking a bit of killer instinct, should have seen out the game against Galway when they were up by 2 with 71 mins gone and also same with Dublin and Derry.

    If Galway do win it, it will be a sickener for Mayo. Same happened in 1998 after Mayo lost 96 and 97. Galway always seem to come up and win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭flyer_query


    Jesus lads will ye let this thread go quiet for the next few weeks. Its embarrassing at this stage continuously seeing it at the top of the GAA forum, we were knocked out weeks ago.

    As a Mayo man living in Galway its sickening enough having to put up with it without logging on here and seeing the Mayo chat thread being bumped with talk of how we should be in the final or how we can beat anyone on any given day or how we were rode by X ref or how Galway got an easy route to the final etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭muddle84


    What's embarrassing about Mayo Football Fans talking about Mayo Football?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,584 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    You can't talk about it seems once you get knocked out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Be-Jaysus


    Some of our fans are like an alcoholic who doesn't go to therapy to acknowledge his flaws.

    Shove it under the carpet, then rock up next season like everything's grand, then bang , the same old problem rears it's ugly head again.

    Rinse,Wash,Repeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,584 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    We all know what the problems are. A lack of scoring forwards. Changing the management team is not going to fix that.

    Thats ground up changes that are needed and changes to alot of management style at club level away from the ultra defensive muck they are serving up at club level.

    Last year club final was absolute ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭BandMember


    At the moment, it looks like the forwards are being instructed not to take on any shot that isn't a tap over. Just look at the conservative attacking play under the current regime vs the Horan era(s). I bet you'll find that we scored more, even under Horan Mk II, as well. The attacking structure/system is being used as a stick to beat the current management and rightly so. It's ROD (and mainly his frees) that is keeping us active on the scoreboard and I think everyone agrees that if anything happens to him that we're screwed completely. If we're ever going to win a final and beat the guns, we'll need to score goals. Apart from an odd moment of luck, we never look like scoring goals and you can't see that happening under the way McStay has them playing up until now.



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