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Higher Executive Officer 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Hunkydorey


    Possibly stupid question but it says we can use paper and a calculator but not to have them on the desk. But I assume I can't go off camera to get them either, can I just leave them on the chair/floor, visible to the camera so I can grab them? (I did say it was stupid 🤣)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I just had them to the side on another table and grabbed them after the room/desk scan was done - rather stupid rule



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Hunkydorey


    Great thank you. I agree it's stupid, I would have thought having them on the desk made it more transparent and accessible. Thanks though, I will do them this evening



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭hungerjames


    Even if you find the test hard, you only have to find it "about as hard as other people do", to be fine. The minimum standard they mention is likely to be a % of total applicants, like the bottom 20% or whatever.

    So don't get too discouraged if you aren't happy with your performance - you can be unhappy with it and still hit 'par' with everyone else if they also find it difficult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    Hi all, and hope you're getting through your assessment tests okay. I did find them tough, in particular the numerical, because I couldn't see a full chart at any point only different quadrants at a time. I was constantly scrolling back and forth, up and down to check on correct column/row or confirm list of numbers. Zooming in and out didn't help as only impacted text size. Tests displayed totally differently to the practice Sova tests and made things very difficult. The final chart showed in full as it was a different chart type, but on that it was difficult to identify exact numbers even when zoomed, but I think I found that previously. Interested to know if anyone else had similar issues.

    On tech side, I used Google Chrome, as Edge wasn't mentioned in the familiarisation info' but then noticed Edge mentioned when starting verification. It was too late at that stage to change, but wondering whether this issue was Chrome specific or if everyone found the same.

    I may not have passed anyway, but felt this really impacted my time, and accuracy at choosing the correct numbers in a row or column to include in calculations. It did seem to be caused by having the right hand side of the screen reserved for video/proctoring. I didn't have this issue with previous assessments when recording throughout. I think now, I would far prefer to do these tests on site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭CiboC


    Thanks Janw, can I ask did you use a laptop for the tests?

    Do you think this would have not been so much of an issue on bigger screen



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane


    When I did it I didn't have to scroll up at all!



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭gestappo


    I was worried about this when I was doing the practice tests on my laptop - I had to do a good bit of scrolling but didn't when I was on my work pc. Maybe email PAS and log this issue with them and emphasis how it impacted your ability to be efficient throughout the assessment?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Dublintigger


    Neither did I!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭CiboC




  • Registered Users Posts: 8 jevans1990


    Did anyone find there was more "cannot say" than expected in the verbal one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    Yes, I used a laptop, which I've used previously for similar assessments with no issues. Screen is 16" so not the smallest, but connected large screen probably would help had I known. I didn't anticipate when mentions tablets etc. I doubt I could do from work because of firewalls. Thanks for the feedback, next time I will get a larger screen and connect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭CivilCybil


    I used laptop and Google Chrome and had no issues, didn't have to scroll up or zoom in or out. Everything was visible on the same screen (16")



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    Thanks for response, can I ask what size screen you used and what browser.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw




  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    Thanks for the response, can I ask what size screen you used and what browser



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    Thanks CivilCybil, at least I know it's not down to either of those reasons. I'll try to figure out for next time. Thanks for your response and best of luck .



  • Registered Users Posts: 34 Maripepe


    It took me around 23 mins to complete the Numerical one, and 14 mins for the Verbal. No much hope here :'(



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭lucat


    That was the most bizarre test I've ever done and I'm a bit shocked at the poor quality.

    Did anyone else find the tables and charts very confusing because they were not adequately labelled? And the questions had a lot of redundant information? And none of my answers seemed to be there as options to choose- so I am guessing I am missing data?

    Can you imagine actually including tables like them in a report to the Minister- you'd be in serious trouble for not even labelling the X and Y axis!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Janw


    I also had difficulties with the tables and charts, but more around format, had to scroll left and right or up and down to see different quadrants of the tables. I did also think charts could be labelled more clearly and exact numbers difficult to work out in some cases. I have been emailing the LCV5sovasupport@publicjobs.ie email, but they're just indicating a 'local device issue' though haven't been able to indicate in anything more specific. My laptop and browser meet the specs and I've never found any similar issues previously. Perhaps if you email them, they might start realising that some people did have issues with the platform/format. Same laptop had no issues on previous PAS assessments or in SOVA practice tests.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 truespark


    Did anyone find the estimated time guidelines misleading? The numerical took a lot longer than 15mins



  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭coffeesiphon


    Time wise that doesn't sound bad, Id be ok with it if those were my times, average verbal times on most practice tests seem to be 15m and for numerical its 30m, even if numerical isn't that generous you still came in under 25m and close to 20m.

    I wonder what the pass mark is for questions, 60%-70% maybe?

    Are you allowed have a monitor on the desk with a hdmi cable lose to connect the laptop to? once I do the room check Ill sit the laptop down on the desk and connect it to second screen, my monitor is on a desk arm stand, I can clear everything off and remove pc from under the desk so everything looks above board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭lucat


    Now you mention it, I tried to zoom out at one point but it wouldn't allow me, because I thought maybe some quadrants or data was missing. The table made no sense otherwise.

    The fact that we are having similar issues makes me think this must have happened to a few people and it's not a device issue. I was using an external monitor but my laptop is 15" anyway. I really couldn't see anything when I scrolled, there were just unclear labels. I actually scrolled down to the end of some pages to see if any extra data legends etc. were there.

    I've emailed them so will see what they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭skidmarkoner


    I gone everybody left feedback in regards to the above as this year's campaign seems extremely difficult compared to other years



  • Registered Users Posts: 658 ✭✭✭Razor44


    Just did the tests. Well numeracy was...eh nothing like the examples, and not very clear re charts and details.

    This year's heo competition seems very difficult. After all there's a presentation and interview to come if you get through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    You're all getting me worried about the numerical and making me think I completely messed up the answers



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Flaker


    Oh my goodness, I found that very tough indeed. I normally sail through these tests but that was HARD.

    I think I rushed through the verbal as I was worrying about the numerical and definitely got one very obvious one wrong and that's only the mistake I noticed! I'm sure there were more.

    The numerical, never my strong point but as it used be that you only had to pass I never worried before. I took way way longer than projected 15 mins and will be very lucky if I got half of them right.

    No offence but I hope you all did crap. That might give me a fighting chance 😆😆 Seriously though, I think they were very tough and hopefully the powers that be will go a bit easy on us.....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭lucat


    Everyone is describing the questions as "hard", but I would describe them as "nonsensical" :)

    I've a feeling the Union might get involved in this competition, even though I'm not sure on what basis they could.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 JaymeA


    The numerical was awful! I did a lot of prep and have never struggled with assessments before but not a chance I reached qualifying standard 😭 also lost connection for 10-15 minutes…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭pygmaliondreams


    I've heard this complaint every time there's a competition for HEO internal or run by PAS, never heard of the union doing anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭spark_tank


    It doesn't matter how difficult they are. There's a fixed number of people going to get through regardless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Flaker


    I lost connection too! Only for about 5 minutes but I nearly had a kiniption fit. Disaster all round for all it seems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Flaker


    I did too (left feedback i mean). I was NOT complimentary! I've never done the feedback before but had to this time it was so bad. Whether it'll make any difference....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    What exactly was everyone finding hard about the numerical test?



  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭Mr lebowski


    I also did poorly I reckon. I think it's the worst I have ever done in these! I got all the practice ones correct but feel like I messed up in the real tests!. It's probably more to do with me than the tests as I got rattled and panicked on the maths and guessed far too many rather than concentrating on getting them correct. A few of the questions I didn't understand what they were asking even.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭MaryKaye79


    union won’t get involved cos it’s hard.

    sova tests are notoriously hard anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭coffeesiphon


    so its graded on a curve kind of? if everyone only gets 1 or 2 questions right the people who get 2/15 still progress?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,432 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Flew through the verbal in less than 15 minutes. Maths probably took closer to 25 minutes and that was with a couple of guesses thrown in



  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭coffeesiphon


    how tricky is the wording in the verbal, lots of traps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,432 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I didn't think so, but maybe I got them all wrong 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Dublintigger


    Me too.... I thought I'd left something out!!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Dubjane


    2 of my numerical questions were guessed, I spent a few minutes on the 1st one and didn't want to waste time on the 2nd same type of question, I couldn't figure them out at all. Not saying I got the rest of them right but definitely not those 2



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭hungerjames


    It's tiger rules, you only have to be faster than the other guy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32 EmmaMol


    I found the numerical one extremely difficult, the graphs were shockingly hard to read and a couple of the questions I just had to guess, 25% chance of getting them right I suppose, definitely failed it.

    The verbal was fine but definitely a lot more cannot says than expected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 prin2023


    Going to do mine after lunch, any tips? Everyone seems to think it is very difficult..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭lucat


    Refresh your memory on the estimation of trends.

    The answer options are five figures long and only have minute differences, so estimation shouldn't actually be possible, and in the real civil service you'd be put on a PIP for "estimating" data like that, but it's what'll get you through this ridiculous test.



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