Junior minister refused communion - ‘excommunicated’

I most certainly do know what contraception is.
I was one of those children - unwanted, but adopted. Yet somehow abortion is seen as the only option.
No, the only person involved is not the woman. The father is there as well. I know of two fathers who had their children aborted. It was the final hurt of a terrible relationship breakup where the woman would not allow the father raise their child, and chose to kill it isntead.

Sad. Vindictive. And not as uncommon as you might think.

I hope he does come to accept that all actions have consequences and he will graciously accept that fact.

I'll sleep on it.

Cool, so you do think those who voted yes should face excommunication? They supported a woman's right to choose…

this the guy?

https://youtu.be/4oweezt-D9Q?t=1524

If Catholic priests practised their religion to the letter of the law, mass attendance would crater. Not that the faithful are beating down the doors as it is. Why draw the line at people who voted for abortion rights? They might as well ban the people who use contraception, the ones who have sex before marriage, the ones who live in sin, the ones who had abortions, gay and lesbians, divorced people who've remarried… The question is, who would be left and who would pay for the upkeep of their churches?

This actually appears to be an individual priest rather than church sanctioned. The church are free to go after all the people who support the above but they'll lose 80% of their membership...

I don’t see the issue here.

The TD promoted and supported abortion laws, totally against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Why is he “crying in the chapel” now that he’s been told of the consequences??

A lot of the religious pro-lifers in my hometown are heavily involved with St Vincent De Paul, Lions Club etc. Always doing stuff for charity. I don't agree with their views but they certainly do their bit.

Are they going to excommunicate everyone who ever used contraception or who voted for its legalisation?

One of the comsequences of the decline in the catholic church is that those who are still heavily involved are the hard core, almost fundametalist types, rather than the more progressive type.

K, then a fair proportion of the electorate are excommunicated. That's the logic.

I have no issue with it tbh. More than anything, it will just backfire on the church which is amusing tbh.

Good for you, that you find it amusing.
So do I - and both of us from different persepctives.

Does he have to hand back his communion money?

The criminal Roman organisation has been an embarrassment for a long time now.

After the terrible indemnity deal that FF did in 2002 with the RCC over clerical child abuse/murder, they should know when to shut their mouths.

I don’t “support” excommunication of anyone but abortion/supporting abortion is clearly against basic Catholic teaching.

The TD seems to want it both ways.

He should do a stint with one of the charities and educate himself as to what abortion actually involves.

Why do i need to go to the airport? You are the one pushing for ex communications, im just explaining how they work and why its ridiculous for the priest to be saying hes excommunicated yer man, because he hasn't and why people saying he and a few million others should also be are absurd.

Its the usual irony of the theists not understanding how their own religions rules work and the anti-theists having to explain it to them.

The fact that you call it a criminal organisation, does not make it so.
If you think it is, then put that to the state authorities and see how far that goes.

The church not only has a right, but an obligation to speak on matters of morality.
When it came to the abuse cases, it fell far short of that.
However, it does not negate the fact that it has the obligation to speak out.
Don't want to hear what they have to say? Don't listen. No compulsion on you to listen if you aren't a believer, nor adherent to the faith.

also - this TD presumably is a “practising” Catholic ? The story was He was attending a funeral mass and wanted communion?

It would have been better for him to have a quiet meeting with the priest, to discuss the issue, sit in quiet prayer and reflection, maybe do confession.

Unless he wanted newspaper headlines and publicity???

I'd say a pause in posting might do you the world of good.

You said that the priest excommunicated the TD. That was the statement which was not based on fact.

Posting clips of articles showing the priest said the TD was excommunicated is not the same thing. That part was never called into question.

So..in essence.

Hey, I know you were involved in having fellow citizens legally have the freedom of choice to decide what they want to do in the event they become pregnant but me and my colleagues already decided that the sky fairy we worship (who doesn't procreate and so we also won't procreate) is against that and so you're out Colm and I'm not giving you a piece of wafer that I have just magically transformed from an actual wafer into the literal flesh of that very sky fairy so you now can't go and atone for the sins you were born with because the sky fairy made us all with that sin and sure didn't the sky fairy eventually decide to be born itself as one of us just to go and die to save us from the sins it created us with to begin with. You're not welcome to celebrate that self sacrifice no more.

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Jesus christ learn the meaning of "facts as we know them" ffs. Heres an example we don't know exactly what happened to the titan submersible as we werent there but we know it had issues prior to the incident so the facts as we know them are it probably imploded due to a bad seal etc, using your logic we cant ever know the facts of what happened as nobody exists to give us the exact details.

Its called trying to prove a negative which is logically fallacy, yer man said something happened but nobody else has said it didn't happen, yet you are asking for proof something didn't happen despite there being none available which is absurd.

So once again the facts as we know them are the priest told him he was excommunicated until the priest or someone else who was there comes out and says different.

Im now done with your circular semantics.

Go back and read your comments.

You said, and I quote: " im just explaining how they work and why its ridiculous for the priest to be saying hes excommunicated yer man"

I said the priest never said he excommunicated it.
You then went off pulling news articles showing the priest saying the TD was excommunicated, but nothing pointing to the statement you made earlier.

It's not semantics for calling you out when you're wrong.

An accusation was made. You cannot back it up. And you're sore about being called out on it.