Junior minister refused communion - ‘excommunicated’

The priest was on Redfm down here in Cork this morning. It's about 35mins in if anybody wants a listen.

https://www.redfm.ie/podcasts/neil-prendeville-show/15th-july-2024

People being falsely accused, doesn't take from the church's atrocities. It also doesn't sidetrack from it

Of course it doesn't take from what the church has done. I never suggested that it should.

However, in the current climate, there is a consensus within the general populace (mostly within a cohort of unbelievers) that the church should simply lie down and accept all accusations as fact, then we need to show that not all accusations are true.

So true.

The church, collectively, as an organisation, aided and abetted these animals for decades. Probably centuries, for all we know. They covered up their crimes for the sole reason of self-preservation, hiding the actions of their members, sweeping the details under the carpet and moving them on to new parishes which caused MORE children to suffer at the hands of monsters. All the way up to the top, the church (as an organisation, remember, we’re not talking about individuals) is guilty for the sins of those serving under their instruction and in their name. You can handwave it away as a few bad apples all you like, the facts say otherwise. Your refusal to accept this unsurprising, given the affinity religious people have of cherrypicking bits and pieces of information to suit their own narrative.

That does not mean the church should give up the core values of its teachings, which come from the gospel.

It does mean, however, that the church has effectively forfeited any and all rights to chastise others on issues of morality, ethics and how people decide to live their lives. You wouldn’t sit there and listen to Fred West chastise you about how you weren’t treating your girlfriend correctly, would you? So why would you listen to a group chastising you for ‘killing babies’ when they themselves are single-handedly responsible for the deaths, kidnapping, slavery and sale of countless babies left in their care?

Surprised he didn't get along with them.

A fine man for the child molestation himself.

He can voice his opinion but ultimately the decision should absolutely be with the woman. The father doesn't have to carry a 9 month pregnancy... Amazed by the number of posters that seem to view it as rocket science.

And yet if she decides to keep the child, he is liable for maintenance?
You can't have it both ways you know!

So I need to be on deaths door. Medical evidence have indicated this isn't sufficient and still requires women to go to UK to commence treatment.

The pregnancy is secondary to a living person who is in front of you. They get to decide, your religious beliefs should never impact my medical autonomy choice.

That is not the real life lived reality. I still have to fight to have my medical choice, I still have to explain and retain boundaries to keep Catholic ideology over my hospital bed. I still have to advocate to keep a random man sitting at my bed to "pray" with me.

In a medical vulnerable position this is highly inappropriate and predatory behaviour. This should not be the default. As my grandmother said and I still have to say keep your hands off my I ovaries and womb.

However, the church is not an individual.

They are still responsible for the actions of their members, though. The Nazi Party didn't kill any Jews but their members did, in the name of the party. The church is responsible for acts carried out in their name.

The church has a right and a duty to preach the gospel. No amount of disdain you have for the church will ever change that.

A woman has the right to do with her pregnancy as she sees fit, no amount of disdain you have for women will change that.

Simple thing here is either you are a catholic or you aren't.
If you are catholic, you are bound by the rules and regulations of the catholic church.

If you aren't catholic, then you aren't.

This is patently untrue. I'm not catholic and I've been bound by the rules of the church everywhere I go, in all walks of society, for the past 50 odd years. Blasphemy laws, restrictions on marriage which have huge tax and familial implications, pubs being forced to close at certain times, contraceptives being banned, people being refused life-saving treatments……..all within my lifetime. And that's only the high-level stuff.

You get to decide how you live your life.

He says, with a straight face, as he ignores the church telling everyone how to live their lives. That's literally the reason they exist.

You also get to choose whether you want to be catholic or not.

Not anymore, you don't, they removed that option when it meant their tenuous grasp on power was being threatened.

However, if you do something contrary to the rules of the catholic church, you place yourself outside the church.

Unless you're a priest who's been fcuking little boys up the ar$e, then you get moved to another parish to do it again, right?

The church is two faced - always was and always will be.

They won’t excommunicate everyone who voted to repeal the 8th because they will lose followers and that means losing money.

The church tries to be all things to all people which is impossible. They do this to increase followers and thus fill the collection boxes. The reality is that with no priests in a few years time the show will be over.

I wouldn’t let my children darken their door and use every opportunity to ridicule a backward looking organisation.

Good luck with the magic biscuits. Just be careful that when the priest turns them into Jesus that you don’t get the holy sphincter one x

How about some humble pie?

https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/15th-july-2024-NzBkODU2NjZlMDMyOWY0ODljMTZhYTNiODQ5NzlmYzU%3D

36 mins in and you will hear exactly what the priest said, make sure you listen to all of it.

Also the Priest has no power to excommunicate anyone and nobody has been automatically excommunicated by the church for anything like hes trying to claim. The man is a fvcking loon.

Haha, aka - re-indoctrination into the cult.

What say should the father have? Until he can carry the pregnancy what he wants is irrelevant.

Is see you didn't answer " Do you only take issue with abortions where contraception wasn't used?" Care to?

This isn't about abortion legislation, it's about the hypocrisy of the catholic church. It is not a place of mercy, forgiveness and compassion, which is what it's founder established it upon. It's about the judgment, condemnation and contempt it holds for it's members. The TD would do well to walk away from it and find some peace for himself.