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Assassination attempt on Donald Trump - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I'm one, but I'd consider myself centrist. I've plenty of firearms, some of which are 'in the evil assault weapon' political category, but none of which are AR-15s. I figure the Army lets me shoot those when I want to.

    About 30% of registered Democrats live in the same household as a firearm, 42% of independents. Of those who do own firearms, the specific category thereof will generally depend on location. I would wager most firearm-owning Democrats in San Francisco or New York City would own a pistol, but of those who live in suburbia or rural areas would be more likely to have a rifle. Simply on sheer sales numbers (due to it being a damned good rifle), the chances of it being an AR are pretty high.

    Ultimately, though, it's impossible to brand all party members in a nation the size of the US as having one policy. You wouldn't expect a New York Manhattanite like Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to have the same thoughts on the matter such as Jon Tester (D-MT)…

    or in the House, AOC (D, NY) to have the same thoughts as Mary Peltola (D, AK) who claims to own 176 firearms (About 65% of Alaskans own at least one firearm). Ryan Busse is running for Governor of Montana this year, used to work as VP of Sales for Kimber. To quote his own campaign advert, "I've sold over three million guns, and I'm a proud Democrat"

    I remember one Democrat running for Senate in Missouri, his advert had him assembling an AR-15 blindfold, on the message of 'gun is fine, but let's have more background checks'. If you're against the things, good luck in some states. Remember when Beto did a hail mary in Texas of "I'll take all your ARs?" That didn't end well… There's a reason why rural state politicians, even Democrats, can be wary, and not unusually advertise their pro-gun side, to avoid being labelled with the national "Democrats are anti-gun label"

    Specifically to Pennsylvania, the neighbouring Congressional district to Butler's, where the assassination attempt happened, was represented until last year (when he tried to run for Senate) by Conor Lamb (D, PA17). This from his first campaign ad.

    It's worth noting that he flipped a Republican seat by 0.3 of a percent when first elected in 2018 as part of the overall flip of the House from R to D control that year. Butler itself is in PA-16, which has a Republican representative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    That's a fair summary. I would add the nuance that most of the major sources are still running with the story that he donated that $15 to the liberal campaign group ActBlue, as the donor not only had the same name, but also address as the shooter: https://time.com/6998557/thomas-matthew-crooks-trump-rally-shooter-fbi-motive/ So in all likelihood it was the same person. I haven't seen a report on the difference in his age and the donor.

    We will know more when they release what they find on his phone. I suspect it will end up that he was apolitically motivated. Much to the disappointment of both sides.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Your style of debate is quite humorous. You equate anyone who supports Biden or who has a distaste for Trump as the same as a nutjob who tries to shoot him. You then go on to dehumanise Biden by calling him a corpse (irony much?).

    Let me guess you think all the cases against Trump are politically motivated? You think all news is "fake news"? You think the right to bare arms due to an outdated amendment in a really old document to be of higher importance than the life of children who get regularly gunned down? You believe the immigrant who works and pays his taxes is a bigger threat than the billionaires who have steadily consolidated power and wealth into a tiny proportion of the population? Am I getting close here? Need I go on?

    BTW, there is no radical left establishment in America. The democrats would be a very much right wing party in Ireland. The Republicans would be laughed out of the room and are more akin to the DUP. Low brow religious nutjobs, who claim moral superiority due to supposedly following the teachings of Jesus whilst simultaneously representing everything Jesus hated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A plausible explanation into what may have happened. Quite obvious from early eyewitness reports something went seriously wrong on the communication front on the ground than anything else.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    How many 20 year olds don't have any social media accounts?
    And, how does the FBI know that he was acting alone, within minutes - when they can't access the shooters phone?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    If there is hatred of Trump, it is entirely due to his own actions.

    are you suggesting posters can't make their own opinions on someone based on that persons actions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Suicide by secret service is certainly a step up from suicide by cop.

    Weird country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Ah but he donated $15 dollars to a Democratic group once !!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    you probably don’t wanna know how many answers there are to that, but the short version is ask Edward Snowden.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,252 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    All of the evidence so far strongly points to Crooks leaning to the right of the political aisle. As more comes out, the picture will get clearer.

    Not that evidence has ever been enough to change the minds of idiots who think Trump is "their" guy, mind you. We're talking about clowns here, that literally believe Joe Biden and the Democrats stole the last election just because Trump said so.

    Facts and evidence have no place in their world. Belief is all they want.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    A particularly paranoid individual could easily choose anonymity so he might just post anonymously on sites etc including Twitter etc. Given the fact he attempted an assassination, he's far from a standard 20 year old.

    The FBI I'm guessing have pretty good reasons to assume he was working alone, they absolutely do not want to **** up such an investigation.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I could, but why on Earth would I want to? Texas is an Open Primary state, I can vote for any party's candidate at any time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,701 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,790 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The lack of social media presence doesnt suggest a liberal activist... what other types are keen on not having an online profile, tend to be more in CT territory.

    Interesting question about the FBI.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    There is a theory that he was so against Trump he registered registered republican to vote Trump out before he even gets to the ballot. This isn't a conspiracy, it's something media has caught on to years ago and die hard democrats show off doing:

    https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-donald-trump-georgia-campaign-2016-congress-df4fa72d2d4a1e4d9344d61c0a3d4b9e

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/20/democrats-nikki-haley-primary-votes-00136418

    https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-crossover-voting-gop-primary-republicans-trump-1850387



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,330 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Yeah Americans are apparently against violence.

    People in the Middle East must think Biden is having a laugh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,656 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    I know but there are closed states apparently like Pennsylvania which seems a bit mad to me



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    A young lad with no social media working alone with a phone even the FBI can't hack managed to outwit the Secret Service and fire shots from probably the best vantage point available to him….the FBI and the Secret Service aren't looking too good!!

    This is getting even more mysterious than the pipe bombs on Jan 6th that no one ever talks about….



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Except we know for a fact that his classmates pointed to him being unusually conservative.… Which tends to make the idea of him being a secret Democrat unlikely.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭ronjo


    In fairness you sound like a bit of an oul snowflake here yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Complete nonsense.

    People are allowed hate whomever they wish, and in the case of Trump it's due to his actions.

    as for the rest of your rant, what thread were you banned from anyway?.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,228 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    What is your point? Mine was that the shooter was less dangerous to the world than the scumbag you're shilling for.

    Donald Trump has been proven in court to be a rapist and to have falsified business records

    He's undeniably a draft dodger, a misogynist, a serial adulterer, a racist, a customer of prostitutes (assuming he actually he paid those bills unlike so many others he ran out on in his life, if not add to the tally of rapes committed or theft depending on your philosophical point of view), a con artist (Trump University), a president who diverted taxpayers money to his business interests by spending 1 out of every 3.4 days of his time in office on Trump Organization properties, who mishandled classified documents and attempted an, admittedly pathetic, coup when he lost an election.

    While not yet proven, there's considerable evidence in the public domain (a huge amount of it from his own mouth) to suggest he's a paedophile who molested his own daughter and dozens of others, raped many more women than he's been convicted of and, what should be most worrying of all: that he's an FSB asset.

    So you'll have to forgive me if I think he's worthy of hatred, derision and, quite frankly, a bullet to the brain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭carveone


    I heard this too. PA restricts primary voting to those registered in that party and Democrats in PA have urged their voters to register for the opposition and support the weakest of Republican candidates. In other words, we can’t assume that Crook was some lunatic far righter aggrieved that Trump wasn't conservative enough!

    I guess this all means that the Democrats now can't push Biden out as it would be, um, a figurative assassination (I wince at that myself) . Which is all good for Trump. Frankly I was thinking if he'd been killed, it would have still been good for the Republicans. Less so for Trump I suppose and we'd all have had to endure a state funeral with weeping porn stars and a gold plated coffin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Manage to get snowflake in three times, while also trying to play the victim card.

    Tell us more about real life



  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭randomuser02125


    Supporters of the proven rapist are the biggest snowflakes there are. They love the proven rapist because he hates the people they hate, all because they cannot handle the modern world, the precious little darlings.



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