Kilkenny GAA Thread

is it possible to employ steam of s and c coaches to do all KK teams including development squads. Just an idea

if he is still there is right. The county board isn’t going to shift the senior management if no one comes forward as a replacement. Personally I would sack all three management teams and start looking for replacements straight away, not waiting till October as I said earlier just pick the manager he can pick his backroom team after but he will be able to view all the relevant matches with the people he knows will make up his team.I can’t see any reason why there should be a delay in sorting this out as soon as possible and give the new managers every chance.

Agree completely, Now is the time to appoint personnel. Club matches are really kicking into action over the next 6 weeks. This is where we will find what is needed for next year, u16 matches for next years minors. Minor and adult matches for next years u20s.

Id love to see Henry take the minor or the u20 position.

you’ve got to be kidding me. This cannot happen, as I said earlier if people get angry anything can happen. Definitely two out of the three management teams should go.I know these things can’t be rushed, but they should still be looking to see what’s available to them.

You'd imagine there will be changes at minor and U20 level but I'd be shocked if there is a change at senior, as long as Lyng want's to be manager next year, and I've heard rumours regarding this, he will be and to be honest I do think that's right. I think his tenure so far has been mixed, but he was given a 3 year term and I don't think this year has been bad enough to now say he's been an unmitigated disaster and has to go. Last year he probably got an easy ride in the sense that he was taking over from Cody and people knew this would be a tough job and it looked like he had us going in the right direction. Fast forward 12 months and I think the management are right fully getting criticism for how this year has gone and some of the decision making. I think he has done enough to earn the last year of his term so hopefully we will see an improvement next year. A lot of people here are criticising the S&C department but I don't think there are any problems in that department, I think Michael Comerford and John Murphy with the seniors and Tom Aylward with the U-20's are doing a good job, I think the reason we are fading out of games is more of a mental issue and down to the fact that we are not comfortable enough in our game plan to be robust enough when the pressure starts coming on! I definitely think it would be more important to bring in a very good coach than to change S&C.

Final thing on the county board, I think we've all been very critical of them and but we had the perfect chance 2 years ago when the previous secretary and chairman stepped down to make a serious change. I personally spoke to 3 people who were very anti the previous CB regime and said that I would be able to make sure they were put forward for a vote at the convention to stand opposing the current chairman & secretary and all 3 declined stepping forward and I think that's the problem in Kilkenny at the minute. We have too many people who will criticise and give out about how much is going wrong but very few people who are willing to do anything about it. If we take this thread as a taste of the opinion and concerns that are in the county at the minute it's safe enough to say that there would be a good majority of people in the county that wants significant change at all levels in the county board, if that is the case now is the time to start making a move to make a change, all officers have to be re-elected at the convention and anyone can go to their club and ask that they nominate people for positions, if they nominated by the club and are put up before the convention it is then down to anyone who want's to challenge current incumbents to speak to delegates and put their points across to gain support.

I would love to see it but it seems unlikely

Very good but there has to always be a team ready to take over and that would take time. We should all certainly make our feelings known to county board reps who you would happen to know.

The lads were never blessed with awesome pace

I'm Looking forward to the upcoming club championships, we're lucky to have one of the best club scenes in the country here in Kilkenny my predictions would be:

Senior-OLG

Intermediate- Danesfort

Junior-Windgap

To go down I think in senior Clara and in Intermediate Blacks and Whites.

Yes its great to have the club coming back. Theres no doubt its one of the best club championships in the country. The shamrocks demise has made it more of a level playing field but still plenty of great hurlers. O loughlins have fionn macekssey this year and it will be intresting to see how he goes at this level or could he be a option for kk next year? Some clubs getting riddled with immigration.The village lost a few and mooncoin lost alot and they fear they could be under pressure. The Intermediate is so open now with ttown gone. Its really important players are found and are trusted and giving time with kk next year. Im not retiring anyone but we would all be surprised if Buckley,fogarty and wally stay around. Tj looked like he might of played his last match in a kk Jersey but definitely there is another year in him if he wanted to stay. Theres talk of eoin Murphys retiring. Excellent shot stopper but baffling how management done little to improve the puckout situation. I do think tallis and mason are two good goalies and we have bigger problems out the field.Management hands will be forced next year so they will have to go with fresh faces. We could see 5 or 6 lads step off the county panel. Conor Delaney and maybe Richie Reid aswell. There's a rebuild on.this isn't a bad thing but management have being so reluctant with players it wouldn't surprise me if Derek didn't want another year. It was Dissappinting he didn't throw Wall and molloy on against clare. That will haunt them for a while.

The players of yester year might not be in the squad anymore but if it wasn't for that great Limerick team who knows we might of won more. The collapse this year will hurt for a while and its not the first time this has happened the last few years.i know its very easy come on here and criticise this and that and I know there's alot of work going on behind the scenes BUT this is going on in every top county aswell.Tipp,cork,clare all doing unbelievable work behind the scenes. We had Ciaran muldowney appointed with great ideas with ex players and he was more or less ran because he didnt suit and had ideas and let me tell you the lad who replaced him wouldn't excite me. Im sure lads would get involved with devolopment squads and training for the betterment of kk. We have sat on our holes and are now ten years behind and the dreadful underage results is feeding into the senior. Its hard to believe how poor the underage is.Kierans the biggest misguide of all time. Young lads think their made after winning with kierans.This is kk andthe standards are high but they havent being high the last decade and this starts with the county board. Appointing cheap and cheerful. County board need to get off their holes and get a strong u17 and u20 management team or advertise it and see what teams people have to offer.if they Looked after the coaches and players properly plenty of lads would go for it.lyng was told a few years ago when he fought for extra s&c that "he better win something now"because of the extra resources it was costing. Imagine that scutter being said .There is a acceptance the last few years if we got bet by the eventual winners or lost narrowly but everyone can surely see the years slipping by and no all ireland.Are we improving the last few years? That's debatable.We have no football,rugby or soccer or many distractions. We have a load of money but are as mean as dike water,its widely known how mean we are. Hard to believe they turned down the scoreboard they gave thurles. This will tell you what kinda dopes we are dealing with. Personally id run half of them johns street and not let them near nowlan park again. In fact i would of ran pj kenny after the carlow shitshow that went on.Improvements can happen when the right people are in place. Look at offally and cork getting underage right .The purchase of new ground is definitely years behind and will take another few years to complete so I wouldn't be giving huge kudos to that.Dragging players to carlow and carrig nore in this day and age is desperate but its acceptable.We absolutely desperately need to start spending money that will make improvements. Need to do what it takes to get the best coaches and people involved with teams and if that means look after them so be it. I would be in favour of getting someone involved from a different sport although i heard mick femnelly had a guy from his time with offally involved and he was told to run him because it would cost more money. I dont know how long more we can put up with these lads. With all the imminent retirements It's absolutely vital players are given trust.

Unfortunately Kilkenny senior hurling is going to get worse before it gets better. I personally think that TJ needs to go for the betterment of Kilkenny long term. He is 38 in 2025 and can still do a job but i want to see players like Eoin Cody and Adrian Mullen step up, they have been hot and cold for years now. How good will they be when TJ goes as he takes some pressure off these lads as everything goes through him.

Hugh Lawlor, Paddy Deegan, Billy Ryan, Richie Reid, Eoin Murphy, Tom Phelan will be all 29 + next year and are in the same age cycle as the Limerick team, so very hard to see them winning an All Ireland in the next 3/4 years.

I do believe Lyng should stay on but we badly need a rebuild as the current team is not good enough. There is nothing in Leinster, we can usually scrape by one Munster team but we cant seem to beat 2 in a row.

I agree on TJ but he is covering over a lot of cracks. It will be another year down the line before the rebuild starts and we will have 7/8 lads in there 30s then

Do Carrickshock have plans to put in a second field. I do not know how they operate with one playing pitch this time of year.

The Camogie Board won't get involved in any development or contribute to it.

They will simply do what they always did. Wait for the development to be done and then demand access to it whenever they want under the guise of "equality".