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Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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    #1142
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385781#Comment_122385781

    Politicians lying omg that never happened before ...



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    #1143
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,952 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385888#Comment_122385888

    It's a different beast altogether.

    I didn't like e.g. Bush, but he had some form of principles, limits.

    Trump has none whatsoever, lies effortlessly, and is (now) totally surrounded by other sycophantic populists who will sell their mothers to swear fealty and get a piece of the pie.



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    #1144
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385880#Comment_122385880

    What untruths? Those were literal Trump policies (and existing campaign promises in 2024):

    https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-ukraine-russia-war-threatens-cut-aid-election-2024/

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/trump-russia-ukraine-book-comments

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/02/15/politics/trump-crimea-russia-twitter-obama

    The untruth is you claiming it was "annexed" in 2014, it was invaded, and Trump recognized it in 2017, Trump turned it into an 'annexation,' by policy of non contest.

    Trump will do the same **** again, clearly, given his own promises in 2024, recognize the invasion of Ukraine as annexation, and half witted rubes will call it an annexation, and claim it was annexed in 2021 when they have been successfully fighting off the Russians with western help for years now.

    I don't need your alternative "facts," your screed is utter russian crap.



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    #1145
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122385823#Comment_122385823

    The moderator did not ask him about the comparison to Hitler, a cynical asshole, or cultural heroin. And JD Vance replied with 'born again christian TM'



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    #1146
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    JD wins the prize as top boot licker then.



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    #1147
    bewareofthedog
    Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    You know the political environment is toxic when people will throw away dignity and change their entire belief system on a whim to get ahead. Total yes man who'll bend over backwards for Trump, say what you want about Pence he had integrity by the bucketload compared to this guy.



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    #1148
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The president of the biggest union in the US just spoke at the RNC there, praising members of the Republican party. This seems unprecedented

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1813040025715536080



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    #1149
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122377672#Comment_122377672

    How many US politicians have been attacked in politically motivated attacks the last five years? As opposed to the Slovak prime minister getting shot (but survived) earlier this year (which I presume was politically motivated), the former Japanese PM getting shot and killed a year ago at a campaign rally, a British MP getting stabbed to death by a Jihadist five years after a second MP was stabbed to death by a white supremacist, there was that German regional administrator shot in the face on the matter of immigration…

    As far as his match-up against Harris in a debate… I don't know too much about Vance, it must be said, but the man has two undergraduate degrees and a law degree from Yale, so he's presumably smart. He was a Marine, and is from the more rural part of the world before becoming an apparently successful businessman, so arguably a little more in touch with a lot of the "common folk" than Harris. Is apparently pro-union. The only part of him which somewhat concerns me is that he's against continued aid for Ukraine. Things like his position on abortion are pretty irrelevant given that the Presidential side can't actually do very much on that subject. If he gets in the oval office, somehow, though, foreign policy is absolutely in the wheelhouse.



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    #1150
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,027 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386054#Comment_122386054

    He really is a gift for the Democrats. If they had to pick a running mate for Trump it would have been him.

    Massive own goal who will just turn off the Independent voters Trump needs.

    Also what sort of lad runs on a ticket with a guy he labelled "Americas Hitler".

    What an absolute snake.



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    #1151
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Have to hand it to Trump, he really knows how to work a crowd and play to the cameras - the Americans are lapping this up and loving it - some are saying it was divine intervention that kept DJT save on Saturday !!



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    #1152
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,027 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386075#Comment_122386075

    The president of the biggest union in the US just spoke at the RNC there, praising members of the Republican party. This seems unprecedented

    Not really, he will also speak at the Democratic Convention next month. He is hedging his bets and using what leverage he has.

    If he endorses Trump, it will be very little to do with what is best for members and he won't last very long in that position.



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    #1153
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Boys oh Boys

    Biden has some mountain to climb ahead of him if he wants to beat Trump now.



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    #1154
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,952 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122386310#Comment_122386310

    Okay, but VP pick ultimately doesn't mean much to independents. They'll swing to Trump because "Biden has dementia" or because Trump "looked cool" after the assassination attempt or whatever base reason it's really not much more cerebral than that.

    It reminds me of 2016, when warning signs were flashing and commentators were discussing the finer details of Clinton's policies and political record - when in reality a large blob of swing voters just saw "A woman can't be president, she has weird expressions and something something email".



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