Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Is the Peace Process dead in the water again? Seeing nothing new in the News lately.

Nethanyu has expressed admiration for Putin in the past. The US government recently praised the Israeli IDF for killing less civilians in Rafah than they have in other parts of Gaza. They also are putting pressure on Starmer to continue the case started by the Tories against the ICC.

Yes, I suppose Russia didn't get away with it entirely (scot) free, so that was wrong. My point wasn't to deny hypocrisy, esp. in the American behaviour. Russia does have some supporters + allies too of course, willing to excuse what they do or help them; just not the US/Western countries that are allies of Israel.

My point was just that Russia's invasion (and their war crimes, and justifications etc.) happened first, and I don't think Netanyahu ever saw much wrong with it at all, given Israeli govt.'s distinct lack of support for Ukraine/condemnation of Russia.

As said, he may feel Israel is a "great power" too, possessing rights to behave similarly to Russia in pursuit of its interests and goals when needs must. Unlike Putin, I suppose he will still have to get enough of the rest of the people to go along with him!

Slow drip mass murder

"Around 60 bodies were found under the rubble of a Gaza city
neighbourhood, officials in the Hamas-run territory have said, after
Israel's military declared an end to its operation there."

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0712/1459482-gaza-israel-war/

I am hearing reports Mohamed Dief( the leader of Hamas's military wing)maybe dead,although the IDF on previous occasions thought they had eliminated him. If it is confirmed it wil probably make it even harder for a ceasefire to happen. I also read that Hamas had agreed as part of a ceasefire to cede control of Gaza to a US trained Palestinian force.

I know that but if they have an excuse ready they can kill even more than usual. Another huge bomb on a tented camp.

They need no reason and have no reason. Full of sh*te and the civilised world will never forget or forgive. What a horrible miserable legacy for the ordinary people of Israel. And all because they haven't the collective balls to stand up for what they know is right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-deif-assassination-attempt.html

The IDF may just killed the man who is second in command of Hamas.

Hamas has no option but to go back to the negotiating table, said Mkhaimar Abusada, a political science professor at Gaza’s Al-Azhar University, which is affiliated with Fatah, the main Palestinian political rival of Hamas.

“Hamas is in a very bad position,” he said. “It has been pushed into a corner militarily, and there is no question that it has been weakened after nine months.”

It's been clear for months now. Hamas must end their war of aggression now to stop the suffering of the Palestinians.

It will all come out in time and Bibi will go down as being the monster everyone knows he is. Unfortunately thousands more innocents will perish before that happens.

Well,yes he has been returned to power for much of the last 20 years which indicates he has had widespread support. You are echoing a point made by Norman Finkelstein that Bibi is not an aberration, rather he is a reflection of the mentality of a lot of Israelis. As said he wouldn't have been returned to power so often otherwise.

You're the only one displaying naivete and ignorance.

Hamas were given the keys to Gaza when Israel withdrew 20 years ago. Instead of looking to develop Gaza for the betterment of their citizens, they used that time to build a war machine. Their intention? It was to kill Jews and annihilate the Israeli state. All their statements to this effect are public, they make no apologies, nor do they try to hide this.

Israel has every right to go after this filthy regime that has never done a tap for the people they claim to represent, has stolen and raped from them, and then uses them as human shields.

If Hamas had any shred of decency, they would recognise the futility of their war of aggression and sue for peace. They won't though, they are determined to take the Palestinian people down with them rather than surrender.

"Hamas were given the keys to Gaza when Israel withdrew 20 years ago. "

No, that was Fatah

Sharon didn't leave Gaza as a gesture of good will. Some posters might be keen to portray it as that but it certainly wasn't. Bibi was happy to prop up Hamas to weaken Fatah prior to October 7th. As per usual any inconvenient facts are ignored so as to avoid criticising Israel. The bias renders some incapable of seeing that Hamas and The Israeli right used each other to justify their respective positions prior to October 7th. Even if Hamas are defeated in Gaza, the situation in the West Bank is an indicator of what will happen in Gaza post Hamas. Bibi and his ilk have no interest in a two state solution so they will need a variant of hamas to emerge to justify their intransigence.

We have in fact seen this twice before whereby Israeli goverments have given support to Islamists to weaken their more moderate rivals.

Of course the usual suspects will continue to apportion blame to one side only.