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When did Tesco actually enter the Irish market ?

  • 07-04-2022 9:21am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭


    Found this about a supermarket strike in 1982

    They mention Tesco.

    Now I always though Tesco's first entry to the Irish market was in the late 1990s when they bought Quinnsworth and went from there.

    But were they in Dublin as far back as 1982 ?

    And if so, where ?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,597 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    this link says there was a separate group of stores called Tesco Ireland in the 1980s. I remember gubays and 3 guys but dont remember the name tesco being used for them.

    Tesco Ireland was also the name of an earlier chain of stores in the Republic of Ireland owned by Tesco PLC in the early 1980s. These were originally founded by Albert Gubay as 3 Guys. In 1986, these were sold to the H Williams chain of supermarkets which subsequently collapsed. Many ended up as outlets of other chains.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,781 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Tesco entered the Irish Market twice.


    The first time they entered, they purchased a small supermarket chain 3 Guys which had been established by Albert Gubay, not sure when maybe late 70's. It failed after a year or two. I remember (as a kid) going with the parents a few times, but it was stocked exactly the same as a UK outlet, so no Irish brands like Barrys Tea, and the various irish brands of bread, only English brands, so we would shop there, and then go to H Williams or Dunnes for the Bread and Tea etc and after a few trips (like every one else) gave up on them.

    Tesco Mark II came in 1997, when they bought "Quinnsworth" and "Crazy Prices".

    I remember (on the ocasion of the take over) listening to an executive being interviewing on RTÉ (one that had come from Quinnsworth) and was asked why did Tesco think they would be successfull this time, when it had failed before, and he said something like, they had come to reailse that Irish Customers were just English Customers with Funny Accents"...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭cml387


    I remember Albert Gubay being on the Late Late Show before he opened the 3 guys chain and consequently gaining a lot of publicity.

    The shops were very basic, a lot of stock was sold straight out of the outer box packaging.

    They built their stores slightly out of some towns and some ( Mullingar is one at least) eventually became Tesco in their present form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They had a fairly substantial number of stores (22) before quitting in the late 80s - loads of British retailers left: MFI, BHS (came back, briefly), Woolworths.

    Until it was skipped recently, there was an old shopping bag in my parents house from some shop that had "Tesco Shopping Centre, Lucan" as their address, with a six digit phone number so from the 80s period - the anchor in that centre became a Crazy Prices, then Tesco again and may even briefly have been H. Williams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I think the Tesco in Ballyfermot was also a Tesco back then before it was a Quinnsworth/Crazy Prices. I remember seeing some old Tesco trollies still in the bay there in the early 90s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It was, there's a slightly distinctive style to the 80s Tesco buildings.


    Quinnsworth themselves were already in Ballyfermot before buying that - 1986 street directory has down beside where Kavanaghs is now in the row shops nearly opposite the current store and in the unit that's now Molloys Liquor Stores at Grange Cross, might have been split food / hardware like a lot of older Quinnsworths were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Yep that's correct about the one at Molloys. I remember that one too but can't recall if I was ever in it. I was in the cafe near Kavanaghs a few years ago and they had a massive photo on the wall of that shop when it was still branded Power Supermarkets.

    I only remember Payne's Spar where Kavanaghs is now. 1986 was a little bit before I can remember!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Did a bit of digging and the one near Kavanaghs had originally been a Five Star - a chain owned by the company behind Tullamore Dew whiskey weirdly - which Quinnsworth/Powers bought in the late 70s. They probably already had the one at Grange Cross when they bought it.

    Mergers that left you owning three supermarkets on the same road wouldn't normally be allowed now!



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    There was one in Kells in the early 80s, its supervalu now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭cml387


    It's a remarkable(ish) fact that despite it's market penetration there is no Tesco in all of Kilkenny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's even two in Leitrim - most retailers only ever have one in Carrick and nothing else!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,781 ✭✭✭GerardKeating




  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭shaunn


    Mad that I've just come across this thread. I saw this advertisement for Tesco in 1982 with a list of the stores open across Ireland at the time, this must have been after they came to Ireland for the first time. The newspaper is Westmeath Examiner, Saturday, November 27, 1982.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,024 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Interesting article about Tesco from the Irish Examiner https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20051794.html

    The article is from 2008 and says

    In 2006 Tesco bought €654.8m of Irish food and drink for sales in its stores outside Ireland.

    By contrast France, which is Ireland’s second biggest destination for food and drink, bought €606m of Irish produce — some €48.8m short of Tesco.

    And in Ireland Tesco sold €832.2m of Irish food and drink in 2006, making a worldwide sales total of €1.93bn in Irish produce alone.

    My memory of the lack of Tesco in Kilkenny was a bit 'lets keep this English supermarket out', while 'our own' Dunnes Stores had its own controversies and even a government investigation, which tended to be largely forgiven or at least ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    There was a similar situation when Tesco tried to build a store in Listowel. The local SuperValu franchise holder (Garveys) successfully objected to it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Sorry for digging up an old thread but does anyone happen to know the locations of the 22 or 23 (the number varies) stores Tesco had in the Republic of Ireland when it pulled out in March 1986?

    There's 17 stores in the 1982 ad posted above, so assuming none of those closed or were sold to another supermarket before March 1986, then Tesco opened five or six stores between November 1982 and March 1986. There were five for certain: the Nutgrove SC, Prussia St D7, the Horan Centre in Tralee, Togher in Cork and Clonmel. Anyone know if there a sixth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I remember the old Tesco in Tralee back in the 80s before it became H Williams and then a Dunnes which it currently still is for over 30 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    there was definitely one in ballybrack

    Think it was gubays cause that is what everyone called it for years even when it was Tesco and every other incarnation

    I was born in 76, don’t remember gubays but I remember it being a Tesco in the 80’s

    Then it may have been Quinnsworth for a period. I say this because it used to be split in 2 stores back then and pretty sure they had the hardware/ games in the back store with quinnsworth name ….. I spent my pocket money there on a few occasions….. remember getting transformers, (one that turned into a tape deck (proper 80’s 🤣))and Lego tecnics 😂

    Front store definitely became super crazy prices and possibly H Williams for a period …… was it called Giant at one point for a very short period? Pretty sure it had a brief period with an unusual name.

    It’s Tesco again since they came back in the late 90’s and the 2 stores were knocked into 1 bigger shop many many years ago


    I remember getting my 1990 packie bonner jersey in similar setup quinnsworth store in bray so possibly this was also a Tesco back in the 80’s also but I can’t really remember that…. I must ask my old man or aunt. That deffo had less name changes .

    And for anyone interested, Lidl in Shankill was built as a huge h Williams in the mid to late 80’s then split in half to make a pub called the corbawn tavern and the supermarket became a super value. Was idle for years I think before Lidl came along and rebuilt everything



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Giant was a very short-lived name in Irish supermarkets. It was a last-ditch attempt by H Williams to save itself from collapse by repositioning itself as a Crazy Prices-style discounter.

    Since I posted my question, I think I've found the answer! A Tesco store opened in Tullamore just before Christmas 1984, that would be the sixth, bringing to total to 23.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    realised after that I wasn’t even answering your question at all 🤣 and hadn’t looked at the ad above properly

    Just found another thread with great info about above




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Shakyfan


    For anyone wanting to find out more the British Newspaper Archive website is worth a look. Despite the name it covers Irish papers as well (not just the nationals but the locals as well!). Sadly it's a subscription service to read the actual papers but you can search for free - the results bring up a couple of lines from the article!

    The following link brings up all mentions of Tesco in Republic of Ireland papers durung the 80s. You can then select individual years from that.

    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1980-01-01/1989-12-31?basicsearch=tesco&somesearch=tesco&country=ireland&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=ireland&region=republic%20of%20ireland%2c%20republic%20of%20ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭csirl


    I recall both Tesco and Quinnsworth being competitors in the 80s before Tesco Ireland went bust. A lot of the original Tesco's were smaller'slupermarkets ala Londis etc. and they couldnt compete ehen Quinnsworth, Dunnes etc started getting larger stores.



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Several Tesco (mark I) stores were sold to Quinnsworth after Tesco's 1986 withdrawal…Nutgrove was definitely one. Newbridge and Lucan as well. And after H Williams (which bought the bulk of Tesco stores) collapsed in 1987, Quinnsworth took over four of its stores, three of which were former Tesco store, Prussia Street for example, so you had the situation where a supermarket was a Tesco, became Quinnsworth, then went back to Tesco again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭cml387


    Similar circumstances in Mullingar. The 3 Guys store became Tesco but closed. Quinnsworth moved from where the Shaws department Store now is, up to a site which is now (approximately) where the current Penny's store is, and then moved up to the original 3 Guys site which is Tesco to this day. (Phew!)



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I was trying to figure out a few weeks back what had become of the original 23 Tesco Mark I supermarkets here, and I admit looking up Tesco's Mullingar activity gave me a headache! A lot happened there with stores being taken over, closed, renamed or just moving premises.

    Without knowing the town of Mullingar at all, I worked it out pretty similar to what you said. Here's the longer history:

    • 1971: Power Supermarkets and Penney's (both owned by the Weston family via Associated British Foods) opened in Mullingar;
    • 1972: Power Supermarkets takes over Pat Quinn's Quinnsworth chain, and despite being the larger entity, Power decided to drop its own branding and use the Quinnsworth name for all its supermarkets. The Power supermarket in Mullingar is then renamed Quinnsworth;
    • 1979: Quinnsworth buys the Five Star supermarket chain, inheriting Five Star's existing store in Mullingar. The same year, the 3 Guys supermarket chain opened a branch in the town. The founder of 3 Guys, Albert Gubay, had already sold the chain to Tesco, but the new Mullingar supermarket opened under the 3 Guys name;
    • 1980: The 3 Guys supermarket is rebranded as Tesco;
    • 1981: Quinnsworth buys the Wallaces building in Mullingar, and later that year, both Quinnsworth and Penney's move to their new location. The new supermarket also replaces the former Five Star supermarket;
    • 1986: Tesco withdraws from the Irish market. In a surprise move, H Williams takes over most of the former Tesco stores. The Tesco Mullingar store is then renamed H Williams;
    • 1987: H Williams collapses. A firm called Aviette bought the chain but immediately sold on four former H Williams stores to Quinnsworth. The Mullingar store was one of them;
    • 1988: Quinnsworth moves into the former Tesco/H Williams supermarket. The Penney's store remains in its 1981 location;
    • 1992: Quinnsworth converts its Mullingar store to Crazy Prices, its discount brand;
    • 1997: Tesco returns to Ireland after 11 years, buying Associated British Food's Irish supermarket business. Penney's in not included in the deal;
    • 1999: The Mullingar supermarket becomes Tesco again.

    Phew! That's quite a lot of activity in one town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭cml387


    When Powers was in that location in Austin Friars Street, Penny's had the front section of the shop and Powers supermarket had the rear section. Indeed Dunnes original stores had clothing at the front and groceries at the back. It's a graphic illustration of how retail space has expanded over the years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Quite a few older Dunnes are still like that - Blackpool SC is one. My mother says the old Mallow store (which was tiny) was a nightmare if you were just in for drapery, with trolleys heading to/from the supermarket bashing into you. Most newer stores or newly-revamped Dunnes tend to split clothing and groceries "vertically" as opposed to "horizontally" (that's the best way I can describe it!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,781 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Well, of the two newest stores in Galway, BriarHill is on two levels, Food on the ground floor and the rest upstairs, where was with Knocknacarra, there is only one level, Food to the left side, and drapery on the right as you go in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Tralee's largest Dunnes has drapery and homeware in front of groceries but the aisles are nice and wide so doesnt feel congested. I suspect the positioning is intentional as weekly grocery shoppers often end up buying a clothing or home item they probably hadn't intended on as they pass by the merchandise on their way to the food hall.

    InIncidentally the second smaller Dunnes in Tralee was formally a first generation Tesco back in the 80s. At one point Tralee had 4 Dunnes Stores in the town but the 2 town centre ones were drapery only (now occupied by Easons and Elverys Sports respectively).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Maynooth Dunnes is only ~20 years old (and mostly unrenovated since new) and has the food behind everything else.



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