Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

Frawley has to get a few starts at this stage

Didn't say it was, I was talking about last season and clearly he wasn't seen as a 10 unless required off the bench

Wil it change next season? who knows. Frawley is also going to get extended holidays compared to the Byrne brothers

Maybe Farrell does and he can explain to Cullen/Nienaber but at the moment both Ireland and leinster are playing him in the same position, 23

Interesting to note that after a good showing v SA there are now leinster fans calling for Frawley to be starting at 10 nxt season,was in Dublin over the weekend & it was mentioned a good few times in rugby chats

Also I find it bizarre a previous comment that if everyone is fully fit then we don't really need Jordie Barrett

It may not have been the intention but by god does it smack of arrogance

I think ye need a captain more than alot of other positionally changes at this stage, ye have proven to be v v close but no cigar

The first URC game is 10 weeks away. I’m all for giving guys a break after a long season but with a new attack coach coming in I’d hope that the likes of Frawley (and definitely Prendergast) are back for day 1.

Okay thanks I didn’t realise pre-season was so soon. What do you think is a realistic return then? Even if they get 6 weeks off that’s still the bones of 4 weeks left before the Edinburgh game on the 20/09.

There were multiple Leinster fans (including plenty on here) calling for Frawley to start at 10 for a lot of last season too.

I made the Jordie Barrett comment - and it wasn’t as you described above. I actually specifically said he’s obviously a great player who will improve Leinster, I just said if we were to add a player to the backline my preference would have been to bring in someone who is a different skillset to what is already there, and ideally to have brought in some elite speed (as I feel that’s what Leinster are lacking).

Will Jordan wasn't an option.. Jordie contacted Leinster.. Leinster weren't going to turn a player of that quality down.

Any other team in the world would start him imo

I see where you are coming from re positionally it's not where ye need a 60 cap AB

He starts, he wouldn't have been signed otherwise

There's more than likely going to an injury or two and that's where it will be more obvious the use of Jordie.

10: Frawley, Sam, Ross

11: J lowe, Jordie

12: Henshaw, Frawley, Os, Jordie

13: Ringrose, Henshaw, Os, Jimmy, Jordie

14: Jimmy, Larmour, Os, Hugo, Jordie

15: Hugo, Os, Jordie

So you have Five outside backs, one sub: 9 players for 6 positions. One will more than likely be injured and two will be unlucky

If Frawley owns 10, then it's one will be unlucky.

He is a nailed on starter, he comes in immediately as our best 12 at the very least.

And look, if there's no room for him he can always go and play a bit of AIL with Buccs like his old man.

Actually tbf Buccs are Connacht affiliated and relegated to 2A now.

Maybe send him to Naas for a game or 2.

Put JGP, Frawley, Barrett, Henshaw, Ringrose, Lowe and Osborne into the same backline and Warren Gatland might even volunteer for the job.

Surprised nobody is talking about Jordie playing at 10. That's the most important position where we have had a relative weakness in since Sexton retired, compared to any other position on the pitch.

Suggesting Frawley is the answer at 10 is very recency biased, we've seem him be very average at 10 in the past for us, though I hope he continues to progress. I don't think either of the Byrnes are elite. I'm hopeful for Prendergast, it'll do him no harm to have someone like Jordie in the squad to learn from.

All in all I think 10 is where we need him most, he's probably better than our best 10. I think he's probably a better 12 and 13 than our best, and maybe 14 too, he's just that good.

Nobody is talking about playing Jordie Barrett at 10 because he simply isn't a 10, and has never really been. He has started one game in his career at 10, almost 5 years ago, against Namibia.

For the last couple of seasons he's played almost exclusively at 12, and back in the 21/22 season he split minutes between 12 and 15 (majority 15).

He isn't a 10 at all, and claiming he's better there than our best 10 is a wild stretch.