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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep and the idiots in Coolock are making it very easy for the government. People will focus on the mindless thugs (most of whom just love a bit of anarchy) and not on the government's poor handling of immigration and their failed policies and procedures.

    I am all for peaceful protests but these gobdaws that like to burn things need to be alienated.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,701 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The parents of the minors should have welfare deducted for the criminal damage of their children. If they are adults then deduct their own welfare payments and also warn them that their social housing entitlements will also be at risk for further offences.

    We need a change of approach because the hand holding isn't working for elements in this society.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    He left the most important part - this only applies to areas that do not have the means and connections to have a "veto".



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭Rustyman101


    No-one mentioned burning anything and I don't think burning Tipp or anywhere else is the answer.

    But i do have a suggestion as outlandish as it seems implement a proper fit for purpose migration plan, yeah i know headbanger stuff.

    Any useful solutions yourself or is it just more soundbites and ignore what's going on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭MrRigsby


    The same as the women in Trumps security detail. Filling a quota and ticking a box . Great for the optics until it really kicks off. Not just confined to females. Plenty of small weedy male Gardai too who will be found out eventually. Only a matter of time before we have a PC Keith Blakelock type scenario here . Copper getting separated from his pals getting done . Everyone is hard as nails in the safety of a big group but it only takes a slip , trip or momentary lapse of concentration to get separated



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    These responses are hilarious. The Government dont listen to anyone. They were putting 500 men from Africa and the Middle East into a factory in Coolock. This was the only thing that halted them whatsoever.


    They really live in cuckoo land.

    This was never going to be a safe place for them. They'd be better off in their own country going forward. Thats the reality .



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Shocking scenes again from these bogus 'peaceful protestors'.

    How long more are the hard-working Paddys and Mohammads of this country going to have to put up with this?

    I wonder what the cost of all this criminal activity has been over the past year or so, half a billion, a billion?

    Private security costs alone for all the IPA centers in the country must be huge, not to mind the property destruction, damaging garda vehicles, attacking emergency services, deploying public order units etc.

    How many homes and services could have been provided with this money?

    I think it's long since passed time to clamp down. I'm not one normally for long prison sentences, apart from violent and sexual crime, but the public cost here is huge, and they won't seem to stop regardless of how rejected they've been at the ballot box. Maybe ankle bracelets might help, should be easy to monitor when groups of these chancers start congregating and lock them up for a spell?

    Time to bring in the hate-speech bill too to tackle the keyboard warriors egging them on online.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Quags


    Don't think there is enough prison space for those who are just out to commit crime when peaceful protesters are involved, There is Thornton Hall but our "leaders" want to make that an IPA place so that's an issue not getting resolved.

    Why would we need the hate speech bill especially for online. We have "The Harassment, Harmful Communications and Related Offences Act 2020 (commonly referred to as “Coco’s Law”) came into force in February 2021, and is now the primary piece of legislation governing various types of online harassment.

    Harassing someone online, via email, text/ direct message, tweet or video is now governed by section 4 of the 2020 Act, and is punishable by a prison sentence of up to 2 years. The advantage of using this act, rather than the 1997 Act, is that the harassment doesn’t have to be “persistent” – ie a single post can be enough for the offence to be committed."



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The government listen to the ballot box.

    There is an election coming in 3 months time.

    Do you think these acts of mindless thuggery lose or gain the government votes? Simple question.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,584 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Do folks think an election will change anything about our immigration policies? Doesn’t matter who is in government, we will still be taking in refugees and we will still need to house them in areas.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Drew Harris would want to watch that he doesn't start losing even more credibility. Not the most popular in some sections of the Gardaí and treading silly ground on RTE news reports over the protests in Coolock. He echoed McEntee that a significant problem is 'misinformation & disinformation' being spread on social media. This phrase was parroted by RTE several times but when during a report, Harris was asked to explain 'misinformation & disinformation', it was just ignored. So what exactly was this 'misinformation & disinformation' that was spread on social media? Members of the public sharing news that workers had arrived at the site earmarked for 500 asylum seekers and that people were gathering to protest? What exactly is 'misinformation & disinformation' concerning this type of social media use? As he said himself, it wasn't a secret that the site was to be developed for this purpose. Reads to me that this 'misinformation & disinformation' slur is a handy label to throw out, in the same sentence as 'far right', when the public oppose what the state wants to do.

    RTE then proceeded to list the names, addresses and occupations of several people arrested. All typical Irish names of the general area. The only odd one was a Philip Dwyer of Tallaght, he being the chap who goes around filming such protests. Assuming that's what he was doing, videoing the Gardaí public order units and not throwing bricks at them, why would he be arrested. Is it now a crime to record what is happening?? What future for any sort of journalist if the state can label them as spreading 'misinformation & disinformation' if they don't like what's being reported??

    Contrast this with another story quietly buried by RTE yesterday: https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0715/1459998-atm-investigation/

    Who were these men, real criminals caught thieving? They are Calin Scintei of CityWest, Manoli Codrin of no fixed abode and Mariaus Crisan of Swords, in their 20s, one at least needs an interpreter. Prime examples of the sort of young thieving criminals arriving here, being put up as guests of the nation and then repaying us by robbing us??

    Maybe Drew Harris would be better off doing his job to stop the inflow of criminality into the state and arranging for swift deportation, than accusing local communities of spreading 'misinformation & disinformation' :(



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭foxsake


    councilor Quinlan did absolutely nothing wrong. he remonstrated with the garda . and was walking away with his back turned when he was attacked multiple times by the gardai .

    There was no violence in the vicinity at all.

    unless passionate speaking is a crime - why was he attacked?

    that the gardai can do this to anybody is thuggery but to an elected rep adds extra concerns to the disgusting show.

    the full video is available online from multiple angles so if you see anything that warranted the attack on Quinlan , please advise.

    another video of a man being beaten by two gardai.

    he stopped told the gardai he was on his way home. offered no resistance.

    was kinda rugby tackled by the first and beaten several times with a baton by a second garda . they only stopped when residents of the property climbed on their back wall to shout at and observe the gardai.

    there are other cases too , all on video.

    utter scumbag behaviour from the gardai in their treatment of citizens. nothing sort of a disgrace,.

    yes there was crime yesterday and violence but the gratuitous nature of the garda retaliation (cos that is what it was) is disgusting.

    They had no self control for whatever reason beat everybody not just agitators.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Typically you are only worried about the cost of things when it suits you.

    Could argue for a more robust immigration system as well but then that does not suit your agenda either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I think they dont affect it either way . Ballot box ? Which political party would do different than whats being done by FF/FG/Greens now ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Repro212


    Absolutely. And a new party for Ireland rising up on the back of such marches, with the Danish model front and centre of it's manifesto. We need a fresh approach in so many areas. Not left leaning or right leaning, just a common sense approach.

    Currently, we have politicians, their media puppets and business bedfellows at the wheel, running red lights in pursuit of more money and power. Meanwhile, the right on brigade, filled with hatred for their own people, are trying to shame those of us who can see what's coming and want to stop the bus. We are careering toward an economic crash in the medium term and minority status in the longer term. There are no good outcomes.

    And by the way, I'm on holiday as well.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,564 ✭✭✭baldbear


    That site is prime site to build apartments for people. It's gas the government keep banging on about communication, and consulting local communities. But it's meaningless.

    500+ will be place here and nothing will stop the government. Tough luck on the local community.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,381 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I’ve seen that video of the man being rugby tackled to the ground and beaten.


    He’s literally standing against a wall, gard rugby tackles him to the ground and another gard proceeds to beat him with a bat.


    In no sane world or supposed democracy is this acceptable.

    Blame the protestors yes, but the government and the gards have a lot to answer for also.


    Wow how this country has rapidly fell apart so quickly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Soc_Alt




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,092 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    There is just no common sense here. You can't say no without been a racist, if you accept it your a bleeding heart leftie. There needs to be a conversation, concerns listened to and solutions found. You can't force 1,000's of undocumented immigrants onto communities.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,589 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The judge told the builder he'd have been better off working, the hairdresser has no fixed abode which is clearly legit and another 2 on welfare. What a motley band of criminals they are with the brave "citizen journalist" Dwyer filming away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Of course that kind of anarchic protesting will affect votes. Most people don't like to see buildings being burned by thickos.

    You have all the answers. You tell me who would implement a workable immigration policy.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Either way. Letting people en mass is not too popular with the public. And id say most realise it leads to this chaos eventually.

    To be honest. I think it just highlights the ineptitude of this government and previous.

    Calling people far right is a joke at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't use the term far right. I find it utterly meaningless.

    This government is truly inept. One of the worst ever. But it doesn't change the fact that these acts of arson play into their hands.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,280 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    So how many real protesters were there in Cooklock yesterday .

    Based on photos it looks like a vast majority are teens and young men in there 20s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Cos the French know how to riot, and do it a lot over most any issue the Govt. tries to bring in. Would make any riot in Ireland look like a minor scuffle..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭Ozvaldo


    MOst of the posters on this thread support that protest secretly



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