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Best counter top beer machine in 2024

  • 15-07-2024 12:59pm
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    Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭


    What's the go-to option for beer machines in 2024? I'm talking about the small 5/9litre ones that sit on a counter top, not a kegerator / full tap setup or the likes. I know there are older threads on this but most of the info is from years ago with lots of dead links to retailers etc.

    Two options I can see are the Blade and PerfectDraft.

    My biggest concern is the availability of kegs, the Blade kegs look like they're hard to find in Ireland? PerfectDraft doesn't look a whole lot easier either.

    Anyone have either of these and have any recommendations?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Your biggest concern should definitely be availability. These machines aren't as popular here as in other countries, and that has a massive impact on how useful they are. Until Heineken Ireland (Blade) or C&C (PerfectDraft) decides to support the machine in Ireland (they won't), you're effectively buying on an unreliable grey market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    Out of interest - why won't they support them here? MUP?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Speculating here, but if they went all-in on promoting home draught they would annoy their biggest customers: the pubs. But also, Ireland is small, and carving out a niche for a new format of beer is expensive. I doubt the return on investment would be there.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    If you are near the North, Sub and Blade seems to be available in a good few spots. Although it's mainly just Heineken, Tiger and Moretti, from what I can see.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea not near the north unfortunately, I'm in Wicklow.

    There seems to be a good few options in Ireland but most of them are out of stock which worries me. It's a lot of money to drop on a machine if I can't find kegs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    I have a blade around 3 years, so do a couple of my mates, great system. I have a 2 line cooler system aswell but I never use that anymore since i got the blade as there is a lot of hassle with cleaning lines, balancing gas etc. I have never had any issues getting kegs… you can order directly from here https://www.mybooze.eu/ Kegs are €30 but with delivery comes in at roughly €40-€42 per keg. We used to get them from a few off licenses up the north (First and Last) but they are actually more expensive now than mybooze.. think the last time we looked at them up north they were about €45 a keg, mybooze deliver directly to your door.

    I looked at perfect draft, but if your drink of preference is Heineken or Moretti then the blade is a no brainer, the pints out of the blade wont be beaten. The only small thing to think about is there have been some issues with some of the earlier blade models having issues with cooling so make sure you get a warranty with your machine.. i havent been affected by it but two of my mates had the same issue and from reading online it seems a common fault . It can be fixed by disassembling and replacing a cheap temp sensor on the machine but its advisable to buy the units from a reputable source with a warranty to save you the hassle. One of my friends bought his from donedeal second hand and it broke a few months after he got it, so he had to replace the sensor himself, took him about an hour and the sensors where €10 on amazon.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Thanks this is great info. Now I just need to try and source a machine, which seems harder than I was expecting!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Just to note that mybooze.eu doesn't pay Irish taxes, so ordering from them runs the risk of being stung for duty and VAT (like this guy), or not getting your order at all. Their "Is this legal?" page is nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,110 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I have a PerfectDraft and it's brilliant, the quality of the pint coming out of it is great and it's good craic when you have a crowd over. Machine is less than half the price of the Blade also.

    However, as noted above it is hampered by unpredictable availability of the kegs. There are a few suppliers here but they seem to get deliveries infrequently enough so sometimes there is a huge range and others times you might only have five or six beers to choose from.

    A few places in Newry always seem to have good stock though.



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  • Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Where did you get the machine from / the kegs from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,110 ✭✭✭Former Former Former




  • Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭sibersha


    Owned a Blade for the last couple of years and just sold mine. The pints are top notch out of it (better than a lot of pubs) but the selection is very limited and the recent price increases for the kegs make them quite expensive now

    A few of my friends own the Perfect Draft, there is a far better selection available but from what I have seen they are not as good a pint as the Blade. Someone did mention to me that Perfect Draft Pro pulls a better pint and keeps them at a better temperature compared to the standard perfect draft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    I have the Perfectdraft Pro, and the beers are great. Good variety with different seasonal beers, Oktoberfest beers will be launching in a few weeks. The big downside is the running costs, I put a monitor on mine and it averages around €16 a month in electricity costs and the fans tends to run loud in the Summer when it gets into the mid to high 20's, especially when keeping beers at lower temps. So I end up keeping mine off a lot of the time because of this, and just transferring the keg from the fridge to the machine when having a few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Would you not be lashing throught the kegs? They seem very small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    Depends on your consumption, There are 17 pints in a blade keg, unless you are awful at pulling pints you will have zero spillage because the beer comes out perfect. The lines are attached to the keg so every keg is a fresh line which is the best thing about these systems, they pour perfect pints immediately.

    For me personally a keg lasts 2-3 weeks but if you have friends around for a party\BBQ obviously you will need to change kegs. Only takes a few mins to change the kegs, you are meant to pre-chill kegs in the fridge ideally for 24 hours. But usually a couple of hours (4-5) will suffice as long as they are stored somewhere relatively cool beforehand. If im having friends over, I will have a freshly loaded keg in the machine, one in the fridge, then one outside (providing its not sunny etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    The biggest blades I can see online are 8litre? That's 14 pints. I suppose it's not that bad value. Still though 3.50 for a pint at home. I'd like it to be a little less. Perhaps 2.50.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    There's a few reasons I'm looking at it.

    1. So long as you get a good price on the kegs it's cheaper than cans / bottles.
    2. Sometimes I want to drink pints in the house, sometimes I only want a glass, this gives flexibility.
    3. Don't have to keep cans to bring them back to a machine, don't have to collect bottles to bring to bottle bank. The keg is plastic I believe and can just be tossed in the bin. If it's easy to cut open I'll probably cut it open, wash it out and throw in the recycling bin.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    €3.50 for a pint of Heineken at home seems terrible value, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    And not cheaper than a can. I can't really see where these blades can be got much cheaper either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    €3.50 sounds a bit mad. No Heineken on the Perfectdraft but I am in Germany and I get a 6L Becks keg on the Perfectdraft for between €15 and €20 depending on sales. This works out at around €1.25-€1.66 for a half litre. Still more expensive than a crate of Becks but you get a nicer beer from the machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,110 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    These machines and the kegs are absolutely not a cheap solution, they're a premium product and priced accordingly.

    The Perfect Draft beers work out as 3.50-ish per pint as well, which is significantly more expensive than cans but also better quality beer. You can keep an eye out for deals to bring the cost down but bargain pints they ain't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,645 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    It's the Irish market that is over priced as usual due to various reasons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭sibersha


    UK market not much better in terms of value for these kegs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,110 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    For Perfect Draft? No, the UK is about the same price if not more expensive. I've got kegs from Newry before and it's not like going to Asda and loading up on slabs of cans, there isn't really a saving.

    Can't speak to Blades.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Blade seems roughly similar, the only real outlier is Moretti which for some reason is a more expensive keg in Ireland. I don't understand why there's a big price variation between Heineken and Moretti tbh.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Italian is perceived to be fancier than Dutch.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,891 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I visited a Heineken brewery in Austria a few months ago and the guy mentioned that all the Blade kegs get filled at the same brewery in Italy, which is the one that has the equipment. So not only is your Blade Moretti probably genuinely Italian (though not from the Moretti brewery), your Heineken and Amstel likely are too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,081 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Can anyone explain to me why the pints are "better" from one of these machines than from a similarly chilled can of the same beer? Genuine question.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I've always noticed a pretty decent selection of Perfect Draft kegs in the Carryout Off Licence in Tyrrelstown, which is thecru.ie

    https://www.thecru.ie/c/perfectdraft-kegs/1516

    They also have Blade kegs and a small selection of the 5 Litre kegs which I use myself, as I brew my own beer and these kegs are way handier than filling bottles



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