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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ^^^ sounds like it but it's something I'd occasionally see people doing (but usually holding it in place)

    Meanwhile, south of the border, we continue to avoid policing the roads as 14 out of the 15 fatal incidents involving learner drivers were not accompanied...

    The article continues to say that...

    Over 11,000 motorists in Ireland are still driving on learner permits after more than 20 years. A total of over 290,000 ­motorists in Ireland drive on a learner permit – with over 27,000 still on a learner permit after between 11 and 20 years.

    FFS 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the learner permit needs to expire - if you don't sit the test you have to go back and do your theory test and pay again.

    similarly anyone who fails more than X times (3 maybe?) should be made go back for an extra set of lessons.

    and obviously more enforcement of the accompanied rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Mores the pity it's not like the UK, where L plates are only allowed when an actual learner is driving, and then it would be another use for ANPR. Either the Learner was driving unaccompanied/ on a motorway or the offence of not removing L plates for a non-learner is being committed. I learnt to drive 30 years ago, and magnetic L plates were a "thing" then so don't buy the too much hassle to take them off argument tbh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Wedged I presume. I had a friend in the early-ish days of mobiles who used to do that as a DIY 'hands free' set up, before the advent of smartphones, bluetooth, hands free kits etc. That's what it sounds like here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,253 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Could have been something like this, should be banned tbh.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.thesun.ie/news/13426460/kyle-hayes-dangerous-driving-charge-court-limerick-gaa/

    Nice fella for sure. I presume his manager will be out to bat for him again. Only the 150kmph (got to presume his speedometer was showing close to 170kmph, which he clearly thought was perfectly fine).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,900 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    why do you mention 170?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I've been told on this forum when complaining that when I stick my cruise control to 100kmph and am still passed by countless cars that in reality the car manufacturers have to factor in a percentage error rate to ensure that the car is never exceeding the limit shown. So to actually do 100kmph my speedo would need to be showing approx. 110kmph.

    Someone else can explain it better.

    But either everyone should be driving to the speed limit shown in their vehicles, and not readjusting for built in safety buffers, or we can accept that if a driver is pinged doing say 120kmph his speedo must have been showing a % higher than that again.

    If I was in the overtaking lane doing 100kmph overtaking someone doing say 95kmph, I'd have a Karl Hayes two inches from my exhaust. And if I argued that I was bang on the speed limit, he'd tell me that I have to go faster because the car speedo 'overestimates'.

    The "what's sauce for the goose" logic.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,900 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a limit by which your car is allowed overreport your speed; it cannot underestimate it.

    but it's very possible that his speedo was correct; it's not that your car must overreport your speed. i.e. you can't state what his speedo would have been showing, except to say that if he was doing (say) 155km/h, his speedo would have been stating something between 155km/h and 180km/h (if i understand the regs correctly).

    FWIW my car reports my speed at about 85km/h when GPS states 80.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Its enshrined in EU legislation - a speedometer can never display less than actual speed and not more than 110% of actual speed + 10km/h.

    So assuming Hayes figure of 150 km/h is correct, then his speedo would have been displaying anything between 150 km/h and 175 km/h. Due to manufacturing tolerances, wear etc, no manufacturer is going to have the device at either extreme, so somewhere in the middle would be a reasonable assumption.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭traco


    I've one car where speedo is 2kph over gps at 120kph and the worst offender is the Transit van which over reads by 9kph.

    It varies and tyre choice and size can alter the variable also but 150 is well outside any range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    My vehicle seems to be a consistence 5km/hr over GPS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    This has worked in my favour 2/3 times recently, passing speed vans doing 103 & 104 in a 100km zones with no ticket issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    All of which assumes that a phone or sat-nav GPS system is completely accurate for instantaneous speeds



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I wouldn't trust GPS myself.

    Any time I pass one of those road traffic displays that flash your speed at you, it shows I'm in or around 10% under what my speedo is showing.

    From my previous discussion on the issue on this very forum, it seems that there's a common perception that speed 'limits' are in fact speed targets, that hitting those speed targets necessitates an element of guessing how much above your speedometer you can push it, that driving below the speed targets is inconveniencing other drivers and that you shouldn't be critical of drivers who cruise past you when your speedo is reading max speed.

    The sooner we have mandatory limiters the better. Humans clearly can't be trusted.

    150kmph. Good man Karl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭traco


    They are accurate if sitting at a constant speed for a while but not much use if accelerating or decelerating due to the lag in the system



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Oh it's possible alright. Sure it's all a game of guesswork. It's also possible he was blinded by the sun and didn't see the needle creeping up. Hopefully he get's Nolan and justice can be done for the poor fella. Just tryna get ta work and pay the bills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/0723/1461370-kyle-hayes/

    Hayes's barrister Liam Carroll, acting for solicitor Sarah Ryan, indicated to the court that there would be a willingness on the part of Hayes to enter a plea to the lesser charge of careless driving.

    Judge Colm Roberts said: "This is the trick that goes around, with a summary of the facts. I want to hear all of the facts and make up my mind. I have a strong view of what is dangerous driving.

    "I can only hear an application to bring it down to careless driving once I’ve heard the full facts. I’ve been stung by this before, the tolerance for dangerous driving is now much less so than it used to be."

    Interesting. Maybe he should let Martin Nolan know?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What's that Skip?? A judge who hasn't read the memo and might take the dangers caused by asshats behind the wheel of a car seriously??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I think that's judiciary speak for "you got the hop the ball when not being jailed for extreme violence, I'm fçucked if I'm sticking my neck out for you now you çunt"



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,900 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Southbound on the old North road (i.e. the old N2) approaching Kilshane cross; a guy on a motorbike coming the opposite direction overtook a car while doing a wheelie lasting a couple of hundred metres.

    I'm not sure if it was a tribute to the motorcyclist who died there last week, whose roadside shrine he wheelied past in the process, or done in dumb but ironic ignorance of it.

    FWIW it was a fully leathered up motorcyclist, not one of the lads on scramblers you see around ballymun and finglas, who I presume are drug delivery mules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭elchupanebrey


    On the N5 (driving) yesterday between Frenchpark and Castlebar. Two drivers intent on passing whatever was in front whether it was viable or not. Plenty of overttakes of multiple cars at once, overtakes into oncoming traffic which had to take evasive action. Crazy stuff. One of them turned into Swinford about 10 seconds up the road of me. The other got to the 1st new roundabout coming into Castlebar about 10 seconds ahead of me. Both came from many vehicles behind me on the road, was mental to see such driving for no "gain"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭nilhg


    I saw a similar stunt, on the old N7 between the Curragh racecourse and The Chilling factory on the way into Kildare town, he did almost half that distance on the wrong side of the road with his front wheel up in the air….

    About 10 days ago now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it's nearly alway for "no gain" though. Anytime someone overtakes me in a hare-brained manner, 99% of the time I catch up and go past them again at the next set up lights or roundabout. People get behind the wheel of a car and any slight delay becomes a catastrophe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Cycling along on a quiet Sunday morning on one of the lane-ways in Kildare when some guy in a Qashqui rallies up behind desperate to get past, there is no room to get past and no space for me to make for him so I continue… he starts beeping, I shrug, I gesture to the lack of space, and continue, maniacal beeping and revving ensues, at which point I wonder about this drivers state of mind and my own safety so as the road widens I go tight to the bushes on my left and he edges past as he rolls down the window making some sort of angry assumptions about my sexuality and my manners and speeds off making hand gestures out the window… he doesn't get very far, held up by oncoming traffic, he twice speeds off before I get near him… eventually catch up with him at a busy junction and I look in the open passenger window and ask him if he'd like to pull over and discuss the rules of the road or maybe even what he meant by my lack of manners, he wouldn't even look at me… coward, gets his clear junction and his wheel spins out as he speeds off down the road…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭secman


    Unfortunately Assholes can get a driving licence , we met one today too, we were cycling 2 abreast on a decent straight road with plenty of opportunities to overtake. Asshole decided to continously blow his horn, whilst frantically waving his arm out his window when overtaking us. 100 meters ahead he had to slow down in traffic going through a village. Mind boggling stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Michael Ring TD on Newstalk talking about roads and traffic, just said in the last few years "you won't believe this but I've had five different people running into the back of me"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Probably a bit optimistic of me, but did he have a coherent point to make at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0731/1462857-conor-mcgregor/

    A €5k fine - that will teach the multi-millionaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Broke a red light, drove in bus lane, sped in and out of traffic and nearly collided with another car… pretty much a case of just your average experience on a car journey through Dublin so.

    As an aside… the diplomatic corp reg cars are demons for nonchalantly using the bus lane as their private lanes. Regularly see it in and around the south city centre/ suburbs.

    Edit: christ on a bike… not surprising but confirms anecdotal evidence of anyone who actually cares and pays attention to this kind of carry on. The amount of new cars I see, which must have inbuilt hands free functionality/ connectivity, with smartphone up on smartphone holders mounted on dashboard or air vents… can only be for doing things you're clearly not meant to be doing while driving…

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-urge-drivers-to-take-care-this-bank-holiday-weekend-as-study-reveals-four-in-10-check-apps-while-driving/a1888997662.html

    no paywall: https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/garda%C3%AD-urge-drivers-to-take-care-this-bank-holiday-weekend-as-study-reveals-four-in-10-check-apps-while-driving/ar-BB1qV8cm?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=252b2d4b3b9a4ab8b2997ed36afa96c0&ei=18

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