USA 2024 presidential election

Any video or audio that emerged that was in anyway damaging to Trump (e.g. the Access Hollywood tape) would just be fobbed off as an AI-generated fake by him.

One can look at that and say "Oh look there is a left-wing bias in the main stream media (the ones ate the top)"

An alternative take would be that the Republican Party has gone so extreme in the past 10 years that they have actually shifted the entire landscape so that centrist outlets now appear to be partisan just because they try and fact check trump's lies.

It's very interesting the big gap between the moderately conservative outlets such as the WSJ and the likes of Fox News where there is nothing at all. I don't know why that is but I'm sure there is a good reason for it.

You're surrounded by advisors, a team, the democratic leadership, lobby's and corporations make all the decisions there. As a standard Dem centrist you're a product, a marketing item come election time. Not a serious politician. Whether you're Clinton, Obama, Biden etc all the policies are essentially the same.

Do you think it's different for Republicans?

You singled out Democrats in your post, that's why I asked if you thought the republicans were up to it as well. Last time I checked this was a site based on written posting which quite often relies on back and forth messaging to confirm points?

If Obama wanted to run ,then she should make her case.I don't think she would be a "celebrity".She seems intelligent ,knowledgeable of the office ,good with words and likeable.

Parachuting herself in could be bad but if she has a good case to be the candidate then she should not be ruled out just because she is Obama's wife.

What do you think Trump has in mind for 2028 if he gets in this time?

I keep saying partially resolving Gaza could be the key but noone takes me up on it.

Those witholding their votes from the Dems on its account will probably (hopefully) feel very ashamed after if that lets in Trump and his lackeys.

I would definitely not run Biden. I think he has no path to victory and if he stands will actually lose quite badly.

Personally I'd prefer a semi-open contest so that all of the high profile Senators and Governors who are interested could throw their hat in the ring and have a kind of turbo-charged primary campaign. Failing that I'd take Harris over Biden at this stage.

Yes Trump had no experience either but regarding my other two points he actually wanted the job and talked about his desire for it for decades as well as constantly tweeting about politics for years before he ran.

There is a saying that I often hear which is that Trump is the symptom, not the disease. The ground was laid long before he came on the scene:

• A 2 party system that naturally amplifies partisan differences
• 40+ years of widening inequalities since Reagan's "trickle down economics" tax cuts, attack on unions and privitisations
• An underlying current of fear that permeates the country - driven by 24 hour TV news and made all the more dangerous by many people's fetishization of guns
• Unresolved racial tensions that appear to be endemic for generations
• The fact that not a single executive in the financial industry was prosecuted for the actions that led to the 2008 Crash but that millions of working class people paid with their jobs, businesses and houses as a result
• And then to turbo charge it all the mass adoption of social media with its ability to transmit disinformation all over and whip up anger and fury

That's fertile ground for a charismatic populist to peddle a bunch of easy answers blaming others for all of the above.

The really baffling thing is that when Trump was actually in office he did nothing but exacerbate those issues but it doesn't seem to have mattered. He's their guy. That's their identity now

Forget policy, the overriding issue for voters, miles above anything else, is his age. It dominates and overshadows everything. It's lights out stuff.

Imagine if e.g. Trump suddenly developed a stutter. The entire world would be focused on nothing but that stutter. His political career would die overnight.

Biden's aides did well to keep it under wrap, limiting his time in front of the camera, all that, but now the cat is fully out of the box - and it's a killer. And sadly it's only going to get worse.

Schumer, Jefferies, Pelosi, Schiff et al, all calling for him to step aside. This is untenable and his obstinacy in the face of reality is getting more and more outrageous.

He's a juggernaut they can't touch nor challenge, they either kiss the ring or they are out of the game. They don't give one toss about the insults or anything, they are all just jostling for position. Haley was gambling on the faint hope he'd go to prison, since that seems an impossibility now, she's playing the game.

Didn't Ardern take over 6 weeks before the NZ election ? They got a fresh face who didn't really change policy much and got a big poll bump and won.

Pelosi and others are clearly not just looking at the presidential election, but also how Biden is hindering other dems on the ballot when it comes to congress and the senate.

Is there anyone who democrats could wheel out let’s say in next month who

• is young (says 30s to 50s)
• Is recognisable by average American (business or entertainment figure?)
• Can troll Trump and have him melt down
• reply to Trump nonsense with “ok boomer”
• Point out that Trump is ancient and low energy and keeps falling asleep
• is from a key rustbelt state
• Had experience as governor or similar

Politically the absolutely worst nightmare case for trump campaign is Biden not running against him

"You want a president that needs their hands held?!" Would be the republican rallying call

Someone mentioned that Republicans would attack regardless

But that’s why the candidate needs to be someone who can absolutely reduce these attacks and expose these clowns for what they are, hell is there any comedians who are quick witted who can run?

Like I said, someone who can stand there and laugh at Trump and say “ok boomer” or “I see you fallen asleep again”

Trumps biggest weakness is his age, Americans it seems have no issues with him being a liar, a rapist and a criminal

But age is an issue for both candidates

it’s not about attracting attacks, those will come regardless of who is running

It’s about being able to ruthlessly and quickly and in quick witted manner swat these attacks especially in debates, something that Biden couldn’t do as he was too busy rambling away on unrelated tangents and mangling his numbers which made him look terrible

Comedians might be good at that as they regularly deal with hecklers

We live in a tick tock age where it no longer matters (fml what have things come to) if the candidate is a rapist criminal who lies, what matters is their age and on how many phones the video of the put down of opponents appear on

Democrats badly need someone who car ran physically and verbally laps around Trump and trigger him to implode on stage, as when Trump loses what little control is when his ugly little Nazi white supremacist comes out