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Elden Ring (George RR Martin and From Software)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Honestly I'm seeing way more moaning about these so called elite players than seeing these people give out about not playing the game properly. Unless it's people out to harass streamers but it's not been on the likes of twitter or forums I've been on?

    Anyway so far I've had far more trouble with those fecking fire knights than any of the bosses. They just seem to leave very little in terms of openings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Anyone complaining about using summons is an idiot. It's literally part of the game. It's as much a tool to be used as upgrading your weapon or using talismans.

    There are definitely some build exploits which can do ridiculous damage, but there's no reason not to use it. A friend of mine beat the final boss using the perfume bottles but the only difference between me and him is, I wish I'd used it, and if I'd had to go another hour or so I probably would have done it myself too.

    Unless you're literally modding or purposefully exploiting a glitch, then as far as I'm concerned; "EA Sports - IT'S IN THE GAME!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah even after finishing the game (and there are some tough-ass enemies in the final areas), I hate the Fire Knights the most in terms of general field enemies. The Specimen Storehouse of Shadow Keep…. they are just everywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if I've been killed by each individual one in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm now pacing myself and find all kinds of reasons to avoid getting to the final boss, I don't want this to end :|



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I will say that looking at Reddit and Steam threads after beating the final boss, there was very little 'oh it's easy if you have such and such a build' / 'git gud'. It was 99% 'oh yeah that boss is a **** nightmare'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    During the game I'd usually put my summon sign down after I beat a boss. Frustratingly many many of those ended in failure and I was surprised at how much more difficult it was to beat the boss with summons than it was soloing it with a mimic etc.

    The fight itself was easier as the agro was divided between the players, but the increased boss health prolonged the fight so much that it gave the boss more opportunities to punish the host if/when they got greedy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    fk that was tough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I’ll never understand it. The whole game is setup to allow you to face these challenges in whatever way you want. Level up/change build/ask for help etc. There’s no wrong way to play, and using whatever tools you need doesn’t diminish the feeling of finally getting past that fúcker that’s been annihilating you for hours.

    And I’ve been in situations where my current build just happened up be really effective against certain enemies anyway - like the fire knights, a STR build with a greatsword of good reach really makes them no hassle at all. Am I going to change my build because I found I got through that bit too easily? Absolutely not!

    Also I don’t know if I’m imagining it but I think the bosses in the DLC seem to pay far less attention to my mimic than they did in the base game. Most times I’ve used it the boss ignores it for 90% of the fight but it’s been instrumental in giving me a second or 2 for healing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The boss AI seems to go for the player that is doing the most dps in a certain time window.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Two of the guys at Kinda Funny are doing co-op trying to beat the final boss, and even mid-combo he'll change which player he's aiming at even if say Player 1 is in front of him throwing magic from a distance and Player 2 is running up behind the boss to try get some hits in…. the boss has turned mid-combo even before Player 2 has gotten a hit in.

    I think they may have modified it in the DLC that maybe the bosses switch target more easily or more often depending on distance or priority (like more going for the player whose game they're in instead of the co-operator), and not just who recently did damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If anyone cares, I have a S+D build and I was using the Blasphemous blade skill attack while letting mimic have it, there was no way to get any significant close range melee hits without getting killed, especially in the second phase. So talismans for protection against physical and nonphysical, ranged skill attacks which also heal, (maybe*) physic before entering to be able to summon mimic without getting killed and a bit of git gud during 2 hours of trying and probably also a bit of luck. I know this isn't the ideal build and equipment, but this is how I played for the most of the DLC and I wasn't feeling like changing or respec'ing.

    *sometimes I used it before the fog, sometimes just before second phase, I don't remember which one was this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I used Backhand Blades with scarlet rot grease, talismans were Dragoncrest Greatshield, Pearldrake Talisman +3, Crimsonseed Talisman (the new one that give more HP when you use the flask) and Alexander's Jar Shard. Can't remember exactly what I had in the physick flask as I was still trying different things every few runs. But my win was more down to luck than anything, just had a lucky run of the boss mostly using the attack combo that I was pretty decent at avoiding, Mimic drawing aggro at the right times and being grabbed once which allowed me to heal and re-buff, and just pure dumb luck.

    It wasn't the build I normally use and I had tried a few different things. I really tried sticking with the Wing of Astel at the start but just couldn't get a decent amount of time to hit the Nebula skill, and he moves around so much in Phase 2 that it was pointless trying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Alexander's Jar Shard sounds like something that might have been useful, but I don't have it, I only remember Alexander the jar being stuck and me giving him a kick to get unstuck but nothing else.

    Luck certainly played its part, but I also have to claim that I git gud, because I did :) I stuck with my equipment and stats and learned when taker's flame work and when it doesn't, and I learned how to roll the initial attack getting it right maybe 1/2 times. I got it consistently down to less than 1/5 of its health and maybe luck helped with the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Alexander shows up in a few different spots after, and then you fight him in Crumbling Faram Azula, but I think you need to have summoned him for the big fight against Radahn and then talked to him after to keep his questline going. But yeah it's one of the best talismans in the game for the buff to weapon skills.

    I got good at the final boss's Phase 1, so my luck in Phase 2 was down to him mostly using those combo attacks or picking the Mimic to target for some of the other attacks. I was only using the scarlet rot sporadically too because I was worried about having to farm/craft more. Like Johnny and me both said earlier though, could do the fight 50 more times and not get close to beating him again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Unearthly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Made it to the final boss this morning and got through his first phase relatively unscathed where I wondered if he was nerfed, and then that second phase hit me like a train.

    And in true FromSoftware boss tradition, I’ve done nowhere near as well in the first phase as the first time I faced them. This is going to take a while!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Man commander Gaius and that stupid charge. Id say there's a quarter of a frame that's safe to dodge it.

    Beat him at least but he was a serious pain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,229 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    When's the best time to start the DLC? Narratively as well, if it even matters.

    Currently level 125 and just about to start the Forbidden Lands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Narratively probably after Mohg. Best time after you beat the main game and get the Sacred Relic sword which you need for THE farming spot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd aim for about Lvl 140 or so, just to make sure you have enough points in Vigor. Your strength etc mostly scales in the DLC with the scaling/upgrade system exclusive to the DLC, but your health/stamina/FP bars are still important.

    As for narrative, so long as you've beaten Radahn in Caelid and Mohg in the Moghwyn Dynasty place (because the access point to the DLC is located there), you're good to go. It can be done before or after beating the main game.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Feel like in getting near the end now. Only have the abyssal woods and ancient ruins left to explore and did a lot of the optional content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,510 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    For someone who stopped playing the base game when I hit a wall with Malenia and Makilath.

    Should I try and keep going there before trying the DLC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Neither are required to access the DLC, and are probably two of the hardest bosses in the main game. Even if you beat Malekith, all you have in the main game is the last run of bosses, so to be honest I'd say you could probably just jump into the DLC. You'll have a bit of an easier start dealing with normal enemies again for a while before you have to take on a main boss so should help knock some of the rust off. The only issue you might face is whether you're underlevelled having not gotten the runes from defeating those bosses.

    So long as you've beaten Mohg in the Blood palace area (and assuming you beat Radahn previously), I'd say just go for the DLC.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Im finding the DLC a bit of a push over but my rivers of blood build does feel a bit on the broken side. Still not hit the last boss which I believe is a massive difficulty spike. I wouldn't really get the DLC though if you aren't enjoying it enough to see the base game through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,229 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Souls games are great for that feeling of "No idea if this is the right way but I'll just keep going…"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's a decker for the one more go addiction. I'll see what's over that hill and go to bed. Over the hill is a whole new area with new monsters.

    Wonder what's in that ruin over there...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Was hoping to beat this tonight but the abyssal woods took way too long and were kind of ****.

    Got to radahn finally. Had a few goes. Phase 1 doesn't seem too bad. Plenty of moves you can dodge through it you read them right and if you don't get greedy and go for a combo he is very punishable. Got to phase 2 which didn't last long and called it a night.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    When everyone talks about the difficulty of the final boss, it’s 100% phase two they’re talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Whenever there are two paths in front of me, I always pick the one I think is the wrong way. Sometimes I end up being disappointed to realise it was actually the right way.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I've found the community really helpful for this in Elden ring. When I get to a room or form I read the messages and they have managed to point me in the right direction many times. They will say 'first left then forward' or something like that or highlight ambushes. It's another thing that is so unique about these games. I've seen more moaning about idiot From Software gatekeepers without seeing one gatekeeper post (I suppose if you are a streamer you expose yourself to this more), but again the community is there to provide support and help you out. It's one of the things that drew me to these games since Demons Souls, it's like we are all in this together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I mentioned before about how Bloodborne was my first of these games, and any time I read the messages in the starting area all I could think was "These dweebs writing these as if they're characters in the game…. Just say there's a dude around the corner instead of 'danger, o danger tee hee hee'"

    It was only after I started to realise they weren't typing out the messages but just picking preset options.

    Obviously the messages can be used for trolling and nonsense, but overall they're such a fantastic addition which really help build into a community aspect to the games and provide much-needed advice or guidance (especially given how obscure some of the side-stuff can be, seeing messages, ghosts of which emote to use or pointing at something, or a message hinting towards an item you need, or just hidden paths).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭McFly85


    One thing I found playing the DLC(and then deciding now is the time to finish up trophies), as I don’t have PlayStation plus anymore, is how much more difficult things are without those community notes. It’s so much easier to get lost and have to look stuff up online, and then you see in a video notes telling you where the bit in the cliff is or where the invisible wall is etc. Think next time I’m playing a From game I’ll make sure it’s online!

    Anyway, got Radahn at the weekend after countless tries. I think it’s the only FromSoftware boss I’ve faced where no matter how much I could see what he was going to do, luck was a big factor in getting through it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I know it’s been like 15 years now, but the Souls approach to multiplayer remains one of the few genuine positive innovations in the online console era.

    Though it can still feel like trying to engage in co-op is still a half broken mess a decade and a half on 😅



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Radahn has brought me to tears.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,767 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Git (a) gud (total respec build).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I might have to. Rivers of blood is doing less than 400 to him until the bleed chunks and it takes a lot to bleed chunks him. Also since it's a katana there's zero chance of getting a stagger. Phase 1 I sort of have down but he can still bullshit kills out of me meaning I don't get to phase 2 that often. And then when you get to phase 2 I panic. I don't have any of the timing down except for his attacks he does in phase 1 and even then I just panic as there's just holy being cast everywhere and it makes it so much harder to read. Also doesn't help they gave him another combo keeps catching me.

    Seems to be very few opportunities to heal as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The Holy damage in Phase 2 can be crazy. If you haven't already, there are two talismans that can stack and reduce Holy damage; the Pearldrake Shield +3 (found in the Shadow Keep Storehouse/Library) and the Golden Braid (found in the village in the North of the map with the tree sentinels). They can really help with the AoEs in Phase 2. Though depending on what talismans you currently use you could be sacrificing damage you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,911 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Mohg's spear and greatshield is much better than rivers of blood. Find a good enough shield for holy damage, block and get free stabby stabby shots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Yeah I started with RoB too but there’s not enough of an opening to build bleed reliably in either phase really. Slightly respecced to use impenetrable thorns, slow but can cause damage from distance and 2 close hits caused bleed damage.

    Left to as late as possible in phase 1 to bring the mimic out then switched to RoB in phase 2 when I ran out of FP, focusing on avoiding his attacks while my mimic spammed impenetrable thorns, getting the odd hit in where possible. Eventually got a decent enough run where my mimic lasted the whole fight and I was able to avoid most of his attacks.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Thanks. I'll try again with the current build. I have modded it a bit to get good holy reduction. Think I just need to be more consistent with phase 1 so I can learn phase 2 properly. But may need to cheese it as I've to stay alive for a long time on phase 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,229 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    I wish more weapons had as elegant and detailed movesets as Milady (awful weapon name though).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    squaring up to a furnace golem who is 100ft tall and spewing lava all around the place



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's over.

    Who needs rivers of blood when you have impenetrable thorns. Seriously, the bleed damage out of this spell is insane and even more nuts when the Mimic Tear is getting involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 HopingforNewZ


    I respec'd into an utter poise monster for Radahn (Verdigris Set, Bull-Goat Talisman, Leaden Hardtear) and my Mimic and I poked him to death with Mohgs Spear from behind our Fingerprint Stone Shields. It felt good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I saw videos of Radahn getting killed in 30 seconds or less - it's gonna get nerfed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,911 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,316 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I played Sekiro (Gourds), Bloodborne (Vials) and Demons Souls (Grass) before I ever played a Dark Souls or Elden Ring…. and I still think of all main healing items as just 'Flasks' now.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I call it my sippy cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Radahn is the only boss I have left to beat. At just 14 Scadutree blessing so far I’m getting my ass pummeled, especially in his second phase. He’s just so hyper aggressive. As soon as I get up to Scadutree level 20 I’ll try cheese him with Impenetrable Thorns and Rot Pots.
    The only other bosses I had terrible problems against were Putrescent Knight and that Saint of the Bud boss.



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