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Assassination attempt on Donald Trump - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Mainstream media hack desperate to reign-in even the very suggestion of the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate Trump; made by Cory Mills (Congressman and former sniper).

    At 1:55 he makes the suggestion based on the massive mistakes of just basics.
    https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1813244738503594184

    You're not allowed to question the official narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,890 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    'Narrative' must be the most overused word in the English language of the last few years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭drury..


    He's just speculating

    At most imo maybe there was a local officer on the scene who said **** it let Trump take a bullet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Dan Bongino claims that an "unimpeachable source" informed him there was supposed to be a police post on top of that building but he didn't show up, nobody knows why.

    It's too coincidental that the officer doesn't show up and instead a sniper does.

    https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1813372401268531443

    Dan Bongino btw, is a former secret service agent for Obama



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,890 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Coincidences happen every day. We only take note of them because they seem weird. They're really not.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,535 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It could be coincidence……….. or it could be that the sniper just decided to set up where there was no police on the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    This is absolutely not a claim of conspiracy, but the idea that the head of the secret service, by her own admission chose to leave that roof unmanned due to health and safety concerns is BONKERS.

    And not only was it left unmanned by her own people, but they did not even secure access to it to prevent anyone else getting on the roof - did she assume that terrorists would be similarly handicapped by elf-n-safety rules?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/uknews/secret-service-boss-cites-hazard-of-putting-agent-on-sloped-roof/ar-BB1q5e6K?ocid=BingNewsSerp



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭drury..


    The ex secret service and snipers are only competent to point out the security failings

    Beyond that they're speculating same as us



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,890 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It reminds me a bit of the famous IRA quote when they nearly got Thatcher in the Brighton Hotel with a Bomb:

    'Today we were unlucky, but remember we have only to be lucky once, you will have to be lucky always'

    There's a huge amount that goes into security detail at these events. If you're having lots and lots of events then at some point someone can just get lucky, the stars align and all of the necessary things line up for them to make their move.

    Even then, remember, Trump was not assassinated. So not everything lined up. It's almost did, but he's still here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,864 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I presume she wasn't on the ground on the day, so who was the top SS person there on the day?

    she clearly learned corporate speak, saying something that clearly isn't credible, blaming a gentle slope for nobody being on the roof.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And this is most definitely moving into conspiracy theories. Between this and claiming he was a Democrat in disguise...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Right, but leaving a rooftop that has a direct line of sight to the potential target completely unattended is incompetence, not bad luck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    The evidence the shooter was a democrat is that he donated actual money to the Dems.
    Registering as a Republican to vote against Trump in a Republican Primary, is a dem electoral tactic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,890 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Oh yes, complete incompetence. Incompetence is 'luck' for a would be assassin. Incompetence is not conspiracy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    His classmates said he was deeply conservative as well. So the likelihood of him being a Democrat is pretty low.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I'm sure she wasn't there, but come on, this wasn't just a run-of-the-mill job that she'd have delegated to a summer intern (assuming they have those at the Security Service) - this was the Republican candidate for the upcoming election.

    If she wasn't all over the detail of it, that can only be justified by her knowing that the person who was in charge of it was absolutely up to the job. Either way, she's responsible. Whatever happened to "the buck stops with me" leadership?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    How do you explain his obvious hatred of Trump then?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You realise it's possible for a Republican to dislike and even hate Donald Trump? Plus given the world of conspiracy theories on the right, that could easily contribute.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,765 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Maybe he didnt hate him.

    Oswald didnt hate JFK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,596 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    John Hinckley Jr didn't hate Ronald Reagan he shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭drury..


    Incompetence by the secret service or local law enforcement, unlucky for Trump and the others shot

    That was also the first thing that came to mind , the old ira quote

    I would hazard a guess it's impossible to keep trump completely safe although in this case there was clear incompetence somewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Any ideas how this 'loner' shooter managed to have explosives in his car and a remote transmitter?
    Seems pretty organised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep there's a range of potential rationales. I'd hope they gain some understanding of it but will inevitably be a load of conspiracy theories regardless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    It is more likely that the SS were incompetent than some sort of conspiracy where they deliberately left a gap in their defenses for an Crooks to get through. More signs that the SS were incompetent on the day:

    They spotted Crooks 23min before the shooting. He was looking up at the roof of the building that he did the shooting from while they were looking out at him. They reported it as suspicious. He disappeared and came back a few min later with a range finder scope. They got even more suspicious (as you would hope). Then he disappeared again, came back with a large bag, and climbed up onto the roof. They couldn't climb up after him.

    When the shooting occurred, the SS piled on top of Trump and began to remove him from the stage. However, Trump shouted "let me get my shoes" three times and they stopped. This is ridiculous. The priority should have been to get him to a safe place, who cares about his badly fitting shoes. This allowed Trump to shout "Fight" and raise his fist into the air for that famous photo op.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Hard disagree on your definition of luck there. FWIW I specifically said that I don't think there are any conspiracies there, so that's not my point, but your definition of good/bad luck doesn't make sense.

    If the IRA's bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton had been dependent on this level of incompetence from the security services, it wouldn't have happened at all. "Good luck" for them would have been that Thatcher would have still been in the bathroom of her suite, which was badly damaged. "Bad" luck was that she had gone to bed about 5 minutes before the bomb went off. Something they or the security services couldn't control.

    On the face of it, there was a massive downright failure from the US Secret Services the other day. "Bad luck" would be if there'd been an unexpected downpour that meant that visibility was poor or something. Leaving a roof unattended was not bad luck. That was a choice, and an incredibly stupid one. From people whose job it is not to make rookie mistakes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60,596 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It won’t help that the MAGA crowd will lean biggly into conspiracy theory rhetoric.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,765 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Sarah Jane Moore and Squeaky Fromme didn't hate Gerald Ford.



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭drury..


    Has it been reliably established who is responsible for the security lapse that allowed the gunman shoot from the rooftop



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,235 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It seems the stretches of logic that MAGA cult members are dragging together to try and make Crooks out to be a Democrat / Biden fan are incredible.

    Every piece of information reported by credible media sources indicates that Crooks was a registered Republican gun nut.

    There are numerous "Republicans against Trump" movements. Even Trump's nominee for VP has been an extremely vocal critic of his (indeed he's one of the originators of the "Trump is America's Hitler" comparison). It's not at all inconceivable that a Republican gun nut would want Trump dead (or martyred). In fact, it's highly likely. It's also far, far more likely that someone in possession of an AR15 is a Republican than a Democrat.

    Mental health issues do seem likely from the interviews being published with those who were in school with him, however, if this was a case of attention seeking / looking to be famous, why is there so little social media presence? It seems a stretch that Google/Meta/X/Reddit etc. would have all moved quickly enough after Crooks was named to scrub such a presence. 4Chan/Reddit in particular are usually full of screenshots when such digital scrubs are attempted.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    What is the approved narrative of how this "lone shooter" acquired knowledge to assemble a remote transmitter wired to explosives in his car, being the case he had no digital footprint.



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