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Dangerous Dogs Owners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Anyone whose main argument is "there's no such breed as a pitbull, so a ban won't work" isn't arguing for enforcement though. Because if the problem is that there's no such breed, then the present law on restricted breeds can't work either. Which means that in their view it's not a problem of applying the current law, and moreover that any law that tries to act preventively is pretty much doomed to fail.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls@UNSRVAW "Very concerned about these statements by the IOC at Paris2024 There are multiple international treaties and national constitutions that specifically refer to#women and their fundamental rights to equality and non-discrimination, so the world has a pretty good idea of what women -and men for that matter- are. Also, how can one assess whether fairness and justice has been reached if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't say it was. It's an argument that's been made on here more than once though.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls@UNSRVAW "Very concerned about these statements by the IOC at Paris2024 There are multiple international treaties and national constitutions that specifically refer to#women and their fundamental rights to equality and non-discrimination, so the world has a pretty good idea of what women -and men for that matter- are. Also, how can one assess whether fairness and justice has been reached if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭newport2


    I think that argument can be applied to any law though. Enforcement is an issue generally in this country.

    However, I think law does act as a deterrent. If something is made illegal, whether enforced or not, less people will do it. Very few people picked up dog poo before it became illegal not to do so. Now most do, in spite of little enforcement. A minority will always ignore the law and do what suits them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Another option is legislation to hold owners of dogs directly responsible for the dogs actions. 

    I think this is very difficult to enforce in practice. If I go on holidays and leave my dog with family, but it escapes and kills someone, can I really be held liable? That's very unlikely to stand up to a legal challenge.

    And it's still not a preventative measure, it only punishes people after the fact.

    If we're serious about actually preventing serious/fatal attacks, then a ban is the only possible way to do that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Yes that argument can be applied to any law and enforcement is an issue in general.

    As for picking up dog ****, I feel that was more a societal change that led to people doing it rather than the risk of fines. Same with littering, everyone knows it's illegal and could result in a fine but never happens (not referring to fly tipping just general littering).

    The crack down really needs to start with breeding and buying of dogs but it would take a massive effort to be proactive about that and that's never going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Whoa there. There is NO requirement to show that ANY extreme circumstance was present NOR is there any requirement to contact gardai until after the fact.

    The only requirement is that the animal was "not under the control" of its handler or by itself, and that there was a potential risk to livestock, the landowner, or others. That's the law Boet.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The burden of proof is entirely on you to show that it was an extreme circumstance and you were unable to contact gardai.

    How many unanswered calls constitutes 'unable to contact the Gardaí?' Two, three, fifteen? Rang two local stations several times each to report joyriders in the local area only last month - no answer on the phones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It anazingvtge amount of people that do not understand the law like @boetstark. There is no requirement for a landowner or other individual to contact anyone where an uncontrolled dog is on there land/property. If the dog is a danger to people, livestock or other animals the property owner or there agents are fully entitled to shoot it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭boetstark


    Do it so and see if you are correct. BTW the IFA give different advice on their website. My cousin who is a Garda / ASU and my wife who is a qualified Solicitor generally agree with my interpretation, but hey what would they know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You are right what would they know as they are incorrect. You shoot the dog worring the stock first and then ring the gardai to notify them of your action

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Terrier2023


    my neighbours sheep come into my fields every day they have broken my fences by knocking the walls, and they drink from my clean water trough and consume my grass and the mineral lick for my horses. My shepherd herds these sheep out to my boundary every day he is intelligent and knows his job. He is not a dangerous dog.

    he is very gentle & quiet until someone unknown to him comes to the house then he will be on guard and until identified as a known person like a gardener or a workman he will be very intimidating. i dont have a gun he is my gun he is not a dangerous dog but i am quite sure if a person is mis behaving on the premises or is dis respectful to me he will engage and like the sheep he will put them out. I value this dog. I have trained him i realise his intelligence and i respect his space and look after him well. he will never harm me. A lot of people under estimate their dogs and therin lies the fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭boetstark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    This is correct, I've had to shoot numerous dogs over the years for worrying sheep, on my own and on neighbours land and it's never been an issue with the Gardai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I have, twice, It went fine except for the poor dead livestock. I am correct.

    Could you link to that IFA advice - the specific piece please. I wouldn't put it past that shower of eegits to have it wring on their site but I haven't noticed it.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,751 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Another small child seriously injured by the family pet, this time in Kerry.

    What are people thinking? Why put your need to have a dangerous dog at home over the life of your newly born child?

    Another family now having to live with the aftermath of a dog attack, where no doubt they often told visitors and friends how gentle their dog was and how it wouldn't harm a fly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Regardless of what you state Boetstark the reality is dogs are shot in fields for worrying livestock all the time. I've done it myself. I then told the owner and the gardaí. The owner realised he fucked up and was apologetic and the Five-0 had no issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls@UNSRVAW "Very concerned about these statements by the IOC at Paris2024 There are multiple international treaties and national constitutions that specifically refer to#women and their fundamental rights to equality and non-discrimination, so the world has a pretty good idea of what women -and men for that matter- are. Also, how can one assess whether fairness and justice has been reached if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Another family now having to live with the aftermath of a dog attack

    Well, if it was their dog in their home, I hope they are criminally charged in the same way they would if the dog had attacked a stranger.

    It's the 12-month old who really has to live with the aftermath.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,751 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    True, but I'd like to think the parents will be racked with guilt for the rest of their lives, every time they look at their daughter.

    For anyone who is seeing this story, to add to the others over the recent years, and are still happy to have a dangerous dog around their young family, you would like to think they would be having 2nd thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 GreenPanda99


    A big rotwieler i think it was ran up to my niece when we were in the park and scared the living daylights out of us all. It didnt bite but jumped on her. The owner comes over all friendly and say "he wont touch you he is just being friendly", as if that made it ok that a 5 year old is now terrified of any dog.

    Keep your dogs on a leash and far away from other people. If your dog (be it a poodle or a bully) runs up to people in their personal space, whether its attacking them or not, you dont have control of it. You dont deserve to own a dog.

    These dogs are all fine and friendly … until they arent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 CookingGuy


    Nothing really to be done though, I mean you can't actually "ban" a living thing, that's a road that ends up nazi territory and all that sort of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,009 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Talk about slippery slope fallacy. We most certainly can ban animals that are dangerous from being around humans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Who in their right mind would have 1 of these dogs around children ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Poor little kid. We’ve a 14 month old here and that story ran a shiver up my spine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 CookingGuy


    Name one time they banned animals you'll never have Gardai going door to door taking people's dogs off them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Big exotic cats are banned. I'm not aware of a general problem arising from that so I'd say it works.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭csirl


    There needs to be enforcement. In my area, most restricted breeds are not muzzled in public. More often than not, the kids playground in the local park has an unleased pit bull running free (....."easier to catch the dog after it has a run as the playground is fenced off....."). I have zero optimism that these new laws will be enforced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    you would like to think they would be having 2nd thoughts.

    I would bet you that every single one of them is thinking "well I'm glad that my dog would never attack my child, sure he's part of the family"

    Every. Single. One.



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